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https://www.lfgss.com/comments/13966914/
"New P2 is higher (we have to use an adjustable stem to get Rich lower on it), but there's your answer and it's £25 or something from Halfords. It's a really good frame - for 2016 we used the rest of Rich's budget on aero testing rather than a P5! Trek Speed Concepts are good but many more ££ than a P2 which would be my first choice if I was buying new - our product manager is probably going to get one for next year.
Personally I ride a Focus branded Walser but that's because I want to be all flash and Euro for those that recognise what it is :D"
https://www.lfgss.com/comments/13969520/
"It'll depend on position really - the Shiv is quite short so you might end up quicker if you have a slightly different position. You'd probably need to go P5 to see a material difference."
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haha - always as I am a cheapskate!