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Yeah, I think I need more road-oriented just with fatter tyre capability.
The Kinesis 4S Disc was pretty good - it could fit 32mm (35mm if no risk of mud).Lots of the adventure bikes are too short and/or too tall.
I need Stack and Reach around 585 / 395. The 57cm 4S worked pretty well, though even that could've been longer/lower.Steel, carbon or alu. The only reason I ignore Ti is that it's more expensive for little benefit.
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Benefit of Titanium is that you can get custom to your exact spec for very good value if you go the Chinese route. They'll build whatever you ask em to
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Yeah endurance/gravel bikes tend to be short and tall headtube. That's one of the reasons I've liked the long and low Surly. Buy a Straggler :D
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56cm jamis renegade has near those numbers.
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Then there's that Norco. There's a review of that in bikepacking.com, tho that doens't help much as it's written from the perspective of a mtb bikepacker. And I'd be more interested in that steel version. But is it road bike enough.
I didn't know Mike had been developing that Tripster, interesting.