GPS tech (Garmin, Hammerhead, Wahoo, RWGPS, etc)

I think you helped me last time as well. Will send over later today.

If you want the splits in particular places please let me know.

If anyone is still looking for discounted Wahoo Bolts then they are £179 in Chain Reaction's XMAS10 sale thingy...

One thing I miss about my Garmin is that you can have a page setup that shows a list of all your previous laps by average speed or NP etc. Is there a way of doing this on a wahoo unit?

Karoo own up: https://blog.hammerhead.io/truth-in-2017-e9be6a8ea977

This thing is either gonna ship or die. Not sure where I'd put my money at the moment.

I’m close to cancelling my order tbh. Sounds like it’s going to be some sketchy user interface and user beta testing. I’ve had enough of that with my Garmin.

This looks like the future. https://everysight.com/

That's really cool.

Same here. I've been giving them the benefit of the doubt, but according to the latest post they haven't even got the unit working with ANT+ sensors, which is a very, very long way from being finished, even if they breezily pass it off as a mere software issue.

Didn’t see that about ant+ where did you?

I’ve emailed for a refund anyway. Tired of them now. If it’s great in the end I’ll buy one. But I’m not beta testing it.

Didn’t see that about ant+ where did you?

On the 'truth' post they said 'We are also finalizing the ANT+ software that makes Karoo compatible with both Bluetooth and ANT+ sensors.'

On Bookface they've said 'An imminent software update should see full ANT+ connectivity before the vast majority of customers receive their Karoos.' which to me means that at the moment ANT+ connectivity isn't working.

Ant+ is not a complicated protocol, most ant+ chips have the software stack included so this makes me curious. I wonder if they’ve decided to write their own ant+ stack?

Not sure. They seem to claim it's no big deal, which makes me wonder why they've left it until after starting to ship production units to get round to doing it. ANT+ on Android is after all hardly novel.

Navigation on the fly on element bolt. Went out for a ride today, after about 30km I decided to head back before losing day light. Let it find me a route back to the beginning using my phone but it immediately took me down a private road and then across a grass field. I was on a road bike with fragile 25c tyres so didn’t fancy it. Any way to set it to only route on roads? Or is there another way I can create a route quickly to do the same thing?

Nope - but installing Komoot app will get you the option of choosing Road bike route and it will sync with Elemnt app.

Wasn't this done 5 years ago?

Got my Karoo refund.

Recon is what I was thinking of...
https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/241255/

Re: the Elemnt/Bolt - I understand it syncs routes from your Ridewithgps account - is there a way to make it only sync certain routes? Or does it do them all automatically?

Asking as I seem to be in the habit of collecting routes on ridewithgps, so I have about a million there, so wouldn't want them all to sync across to the Wahoo.

I'm sticking with my Hammerhead order.

I have faith that I'll receive a great device, though not so much faith that they as a company will survive.

This is pretty much my experience from having ordered a Kickstarter project for a heads-up display unit for a car that plugged into the car's onboard diagnostic system. I ordered it when I ordered a car for a three year lease, and only got the HUD 6 months before the lease expired... 2.5 years waiting for a product to be created and shipped.

But when it arrived... wow. It was flawless, and worked fantastically well. It had been delayed by a team of over-achievers who clearly had a perfectionist streak and kept pausing the ship date whilst they just made some feature better. Hardware being harder to fix and lengthier to produce than software... this just dragged and dragged. But when they delivered, they managed the Kickstarter dream of actually delivering a really good product.

The Hammerhead team reminds me of that. Instead of shipping a v1 that is good enough for commuters, they're over-engineering and making something that will shine. And they're having to contend with Android, and supporting hardware that Android hasn't typically supported natively, and yet doing this with good battery life, a great UX/UI, waterproof, shake-proof, dust-proof.

I think they're going to lose money on the devices they ship. I wouldn't be surprised if they go out of business.

But I also think that they're going to ship an incredible product that will work really well for as long as the software can run on it :)

If you're in the market... the Wahoo Elemnt is probably the better bet for a device with longevity. But if you're willing to risk your money and not receive long-term support... the Hammerhead Karoo is being built by a team of perfectionists who may well destroy their company to successfully deliver a good product. Bad long-term, but great if you're one of the ones who get the the mature product out of them.

I'm going to wait... it's not much longer now :)

I fully agree with you here boss.
And I'm in no position to criticise a company that can't deliver when they hoped to, so I can empathise with them.
I'm kind of at the point where if they wouldn't insist on sending emails I don't need to see, that don't contain my shipping notification, I would actually forget about the karoo, and it would be a pleasant surprise when I finally receive it.
In the words of a Black Rainbow Project customer "it can't be much longer right?" :)

Personally I always have any audio disabled on my Garmin but the lack of any audio function at all on the Karoo (which seems to have only just come to light) seems to be causing a bit of a stir at the moment. Just thought I'd mention it in case that is a deal breaker for anyone..

Are there not even any beeps to warn of a turn?

Apparently not. They supposedly canvassed opinion on this ages ago and came to the conclusion that most people didn't want it, so the hardware has no speaker/beeper at all. I find this surprising given the chorus of auto-pausing Garmins on a group ride suggests to me that most people prefer to use that function..

"Lots of research we did suggested that audio cues were not important for the majority of riders, and in fact, a notable percentage didn't want their cycling computer to make any sound whatsoever. We also reasoned that the number of times a rider would want any audio cues would likely be outnumbered by the times they didn't need them. Instead, the directions or other info that Karoo gives are all customizable and highly visible on its large display when you need them. While we could have played it "safe" and integrated a speaker into Karoo just in case, we decided to keep weight down as much as possible, and maximize the device's space efficiency, because we had a lot of critical hardware to bake into it. As mentioned, if there is enough demand for audio cues, we will work on ways to integrate them in the future..

.. we are building a single product with a small team and had to make very careful decisions on space, size, weight, cost, waterproofing, complexity and sheer software development overhead. Every additional piece of hardware needs hundreds of man hours of firmware, software, settings, tests and design constraints. It also adds cost and complexity to assembly. We decided a big screen could more than adequately adjust to deal with notification preferences and allow us to make something obvious enough that the rider will not miss a turn."