• Thanks for all the reply's, camino looks nice but would like something a little bit more light weight. Frame and fork around 2,2.kg. I already have a nice reynolds 853 bike that i use now for gravel, touring and commuting, i like bit its a little bit heavy for me.

    But the plan now is sell my current steel bike to build a proper touring bike with a surly troll frame and also build a pretty lightweight gravel/rando bike.

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