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• #27
no they were probably not dipshits,
probably expert drivers, it was just they couldnt see the quay side water approaching and drove in to it by accident -
• #28
Well, here's a shit idea for a thread that got precisely the content it deserved...
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• #29
Exactly. Got my vote for the stupidest thread of 2017.
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• #30
God Ive had more fun in southampton neuro dept than on here these days . k thx bye
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• #31
DBAD, the Klein build...
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• #32
Must be the only one that 'gets' this.
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• #33
Saw a lad get a brick dropped on him from 2 stories last week, wasn't wearing a hat despite being on site for at least ten minutes but lucky for him it hit his toe. Him and his cunt mate both refused to wear lids but had their own branded hiviz and borrowed our boots with toe caps so as not to get mud on their shoes. Cunt was right in the end its an odd story
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• #34
nobody ever mentioned it at the time:
Pretty obvious question. Looks really dangerous on slippery ice. Ice skating Helmets should be compulsory 😁
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• #35
Got my vote for the stupidest thread of 2017.
That's some achievement then. Always amazes me the degree of emotion* invested in a little polystyrene lid.
*(I include myself in this statement)
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• #36
I share the view that it is not clear why this thread exits although I am sympathetic to the view that de-bunking the myth of helmet effectiveness needs constant effort. There have been similar lists elsewhere as well as the more macabre "A helmet didn't save my life" list.
It can at times be useful to examine the circumstances leading to traumatic brain injuries. The main lesson is that they are very complex situations. An apparently trivial fall can lead to serious injury while a high impact crash doesn't always result in serious injury - and whether or not a helmet is worn is not the determining factor.
When lawyers supporting an injury claim are faced with a possible reduction in payout due to non helmet use it would be great if we could offer simple evidene to help them. Sometimes lawyers just give in and accept a reduction without arguing - that shouldn't happen but it does.
Grant Incles has recently set out the complexity of preparing the arguments against a payout reduction https://www.leighday.co.uk/Blog/November-2017/The-efficacy-of-helmets-a-legal-perspective [it's a long read].
For me the problem with this thread is that it will be ignored by the people who need it most - those that believe that wearing a helmet makes them 'safe' and those that keep telling us that a helmet saved their life [when of course it didn't]. -
• #37
For me the problem with this thread is that it will be ignored by the people who need it most
While this may be the case, Charlie, to me there is value, for perspective in collating incidents of head injury in daily life. Incidents where no one would dream of suggesting the person ought to have worn a helmet since the activity is considered normal and the small risk of head injury tolerated.
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• #38
Or even where the activity is considered normal and the significant risk of head injury is tolerated.
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• #39
I think car crashes and falls are the top two
Data from the US:
US are:Falls 28% - most commonly affecting children aged up to 4 years and adults over 75 years
Motor vehicle accidents 20% - highest among people aged 15-19 years
Struck by/against events 19% - including colliding with a moving or stationary object. About 1.6-3.8 million sports and recreation-related TBI occur in the USA annually. Most are mild and receive no hospital or emergency treatment
Assaults 11%- TBIs caused by firearm use are the leading cause of deaths related to TBI. 90% of patients with a firearm-related TBI die. Nearly two thirds of TBIs caused by firearms are classified as suicidal with intent. For military personnel in war zones, the leading cause of TBI are blasts. In the majority of cases, the skull remains intact and the damage is thought to be caused by a pressure wave from the explosion which passes through the brain causing injury
Non motorized pedal cycles (bicycles, tricycles, etc.) 3%
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• #40
This site has put together data from the US for sports, not percentagised though, but you could work that out if you could be bothered
For 'football' obvs read 'American football'
http://www.brainandspinalcord.org/brain-injury-statistics/
Cycling: 64,993
Football: 36,412
Baseball and Softball: 25,079
Basketball: 24,701
Powered Recreational Vehicles (ATVs, Dune Buggies, Go-Carts, Mini bikes, Off-road): 24,090
Skateboards/Scooters (Powered): 18,542
Soccer: 17,108
Skateboards/Scooters: 16,477
Winter Sports (Skiing, Sledding, Snowboarding, Snowmobiling): 16,120
Water Sports (Diving, Scuba Diving, Surfing, Swimming, Water Polo, Water Skiing): 12,096
Horseback Riding: 11,759
Health Club (Exercise, Weightlifting): 11,550
Golf: 8,417
Trampolines: 7,075
Hockey: 5,483
Gymnastics/Dance/Cheerleading: 5,459
Ice Skating: 3,703
Fishing: 3,560
Rugby/Lacrosse: 3,281
Wrestling: 2,640The top 10 head injury categories among children ages 14 and younger:
Cycling: 32,899
Football: 17,441
Baseball and Softball: 13,508
Skateboards/Scooters (Powered): 11,848
Basketball: 10,844
Skateboards/Scooters: 10,256
Winter Sports: 7,546
Powered Recreational Vehicles: 7,460
Water Sports: 6,498
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• #41
In the UK for sport.
Concussion Rates per Sport
The below numbers indicate the amount of sports concussions taking place per 100,000 athletic exposures. An athletic exposure is defined as one athlete participating in one organized high school athletic practice or competition, regardless of the amount of time played.Football: 64 -76.8
Boys' ice hockey: 54
Girl's soccer: 33
Boys' lacrosse: 40 - 46.6
Girls' lacrosse: 31 - 35
Boys' soccer: 19 - 19.2
Boys' wrestling: 22 - 23.9
Girls' basketball: 18.6 - 21
Girls' softball: 16 - 16.3
Boys' basketball: 16 - 21.2
Girls' field hockey: 22 - 24.9
Cheerleading: 11.5 to 14
Girls' volleyball: 6 - 8.6
Boys' baseball: Between 4.6 - 5
Girls' gymnastics: 7 -
• #42
That doesn't look like UK data to me...
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• #43
No cycling concussions at all? It looks more like these stats didn't cover cycling. What the source for this one?
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• #45
That's a U.S. based site, and there's nothing on that page that says those are UK stats. 'football' and then lower down 'soccer' shows these are U.S. stats. Has anyone in the UK compiled stats on this? I'm searching too and struggling
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• #46
Btw I'm not trying to play devils advocate on your helmet stance; I never wear one. Genuinely interested to see the numbers.
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• #47
I wish I could remember where it was but I read a stat that showed how many of those K.S.I in road accidents would have been saved if they were wearing helmets/neck braces...
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• #48
Believe horse riding wins on the head injuries stakes, and they wear helmets.
Also cycle helmets are a bit pathetic and aren't effective over 12mph?
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• #49
aren't effective over 12mph?
It's not so much how fast you're going, but how you hit the ground. You can die from a head injury from just falling over, Cyclists usully hit their shoulder first
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• #50
Horse riders?
How many people ride horses in the UK?
Probably not dipshit, as it has nothing to do with a head injury.