Doping

This has some interesting points, if you can set aside the snark

http://sportsscientists.com/2017/12/brief-thoughts-froomes-salbutamol-result/

sick burns from Jakscke and Rasmussen at the end...

Read this from a French sports doctor who has written a lot about asthma in sport and thought it was interesting vis. the whole dehydration issue:

La décision sur ce dossier appartient aux instances. Sur ce Tour
d’Espagne la canicule sévissait ; il est possible que les urines du
coureurs aient été fort concentrées, augmentant alors le taux de
Salbutamol au contrôle ; mais lors du contrôle la densité
(concentration) des urines est mesurée ; si les urines sont trop
concentrées le sportif doit boire et refaire le contrôle ; si les
urines sont trop diluées le sportif doit se représenter plus tard au
contrôle.

The decision on this file belongs to the authorities. On this Tour of Spain the heat wave was raging; it is possible that rider's urine was highly concentrated, increasing the rate of Salbutamol in the control sample; but during the control the density (concentration) of the urine is measured; if the urine is too concentrated, the athlete must drink and re-submit the control; if the urine is too dilute, the athlete must present himself later to the control.

https://www.medecinedusportconseils.com/2017/12/13/christopher-froome-serait-concerne-par-un-controle-antidopage-avec-un-taux-eleve-de-salbutamol-ventoline-lors-du-dernier-tour-despagne-vuelta-quen-penser/

^^those were his "brief thoughts"!!

There may be something of note in there, but Tucker is cunt.

This graph suggests it is perfectly feasible for Froome to be totally innocent doesn't it?

Yes, that's my reading of it

Wait. There's a graph?

so is your position that he is likely to be exonerated?

No, my position is that he is likely to be innocent. If this was a criminal matter, there's more than enough out there already, without lab testing Froome, to provide the reasonable doubt which would force a jury to acquit. It's not, though, and UCI only has to make out its case to the comfortable satisfaction of the CAS tribunal, an easier hurdle to get over than "beyond reasonable doubt". Froome's chances are further harmed by the fact that doping is a strict liability offence, so UCI only has to demonstrate that the permitted dose was exceeded, not that it was intentional or even negligent. Froome could offer evidence in mitigation if that case is made out, but it will only reduce his punishment, not overturn the verdict.

inrng reads to me like 1.) team Brailsford was pushing the borderline envelope with that drug. 2.) the rules are you should be aware not too.

Again I'm somewhat confused you start saying you think he'll be proven innocent. Then suggest at the end he'll receive punishment.

Simply, do you think he'll get a ban?

Wait. There's a jiffy bag ?

Does Dan Martin have asthma?

I think Tester is referring to the punishment if the UCI can prove Froome exceeded the permitted dose.

From everything I've read the emphasis is now on Froome to prove his innocence. As tester states it's not a criminal hearing.

I'm somewhat confused you start saying you think he'll be proven innocent

No, I think he probably is innocent. That doesn't alter my opinion that he will probably be found guilty, because the process is much easier for the prosecution than it is for the defence. It will be a miscarriage of justice, but sporting regulation is full of those and everybody who plays the game must accept it. Foot faults, offsides, knock-ons and LBWs are called or missed, the game goes on, and a microscopic examination of 10 different slow motion videos in the following days shows that the umpire/referee was wrong.

In the case of doping, the scales are deliberately tilted because we have decided that it is more important that no guilty athlete goes unpunished than that no innocent athlete does.

https://cyclingtips.com/2017/12/secret-pro-thoughts-froomes-positive-bikes-ride/

Thanks I wasn't trying to be a pain, so sorry if I was.
I entirely agree with you and that's why I said a few pages back that he's in a real spot of bother.

With my tinfoil hat on, I Had a stray thought on the ride home that could Sky/Froome intentionally upped the dose knowing Froome needed it, confident they would exonerate him later? Further tin foil time, maybe the leaker suspected that and bought it into the public arena to stop him getting a free pass.

Thinking the worst of people is fun.

But I will say this has taken the shine off the prospect of a new season. You can keep your GTs anyway, early season classics is where it's at.

Interesting read and sensible thank god. This whole positive is what he says: makes no sense at all. There's no real reason for it, might have Froome panicked and not counted properly? Remember when he bonked in the TdF and Porte had to go back for food illegally, he might have had a similar brain fart if he wasn't feeling good.

this has taken the shine off the prospect of a new season

Where have you been for the last 100 years? There has always been cheating in cycle races, there will always be cheating in cycle races. If your enjoyment of it is contingent on everybody playing fair, you might as well stop watching.

The best Tour stage I've ever watched was 2006 stage 17; the fact that it later turned out that Floyd was off his tits can't go back in time and change that, and I knew before I fired up the pirate stream on the computer that there were probably dopers on the start line. While Floyd's epic solo was the catalyst, the real fun was watching T-Mobile at war with itself anyway.

Called Froome a 'slithering reptile'

A puff adder?

I'm only interested in pictures. Is there a picture I can look at?

No he's just not that good.

#pewpewpew

There must be a relevant graph of some kind, surely?

Zing!

I'm going to guess he smashed his inhaler after a stage. Did a wee test and it's higher than it should be. And then they need to hype next season up, so they worked a callabo with wada, the guardian, and some others tong us all talking in the off season. And to take the heat off brexit, AJ and Molly, the apprentice, and spoty.