Doping

Not really. I’ve never really gotten “new page fail” as it seems obvious that sometimes your post will go on a new page.

Oh well, I still dunno which of my comments Chalfie thinks was aimed at him or expressed an interest in or opinion on EIA.

New page fail ^

^ new page fail.

What did @PhilDAS say?

Is he in jail yet?

Are you ignoring me?

Are UKAD involved at all?

No

thinking about whether it would be fair to strip Froome of his title today I keep coming back to the fact that Sky's public image is one of not just meticulous preparation-but also in the true British style-of publicly stating that they will push the rules to their limits in order to get every iota of advantage possible.

In such a case, surpassing what by all accounts is already quite a high clinical limit for a known restricted substance is incredibly amateur-which goes against their PR shpiel-or incredibly calculated-which corresponds to pushing the limits on the rules.

Making it worse is that despite saying his health was worsening Stage 18 is when he took a chunk out of Nibali, which doesn't sit with that narrative.

Going on this and recent precedents for similar cases I really don't think we'll be seeing a Tour-Vuelta-Giro slam from Froome/Sky this year...

Not yet I think. As it stands Froome has an Adverse Analytical Finding, which isn’t a doping violation, rather the athlete has the opportunity to explain how this happened and if the UCI are happy with the explanation the case is closed. If they aren’t then a doping violation case is brought against Froome.

It wouldn’t be fair to strip Froome of his Vuelta win today because he hasn’t been charged with an anti doping violation. That might change but only after due process.

But, that's 400ug, not the 2000 or whatever Froome has failed the test for.

It's 400μg at once, which is double the usual dose but still within the WADA limit if you do that every six hours. The problem with that regime would be that at some arbitrary point between doses, your elimination rate is likely to go over 1000ng/ml. The 1000ng/ml threshold seems to based on an average athlete under average conditions taking 200μg every 3 hours, with a bit of headroom. Froome could legally have taken 800μg all at once during the stage, as long as that was his first dose that day, and if the dopage happened to coincide with his peak elimination rate, it's easy to see how a 2000ng/ml reading could be achieved. It would be an odd thing for an athlete or an experienced asthmatic to do, except in case of emergency, but if he goes into a test cell and simulates the timing, workload and atmospheric conditions of the day and hits the 200μg inhaler 4 times in a row, I bet he can piss out 2000ng/ml and make this little problem go away.

Interesting stuff in here.

http://www.doping.chuv.ch/files/salbutamol_03.pdf

SPECIFICALLY:

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Interesting stuff

I'd seen that graph before, well done for finding it again.

funny that I also mixed milligrams with micrograms as that should be among things I'm somewhat familiar with

Don't worry, even professional journalists (lol) have been drinking instead of paying attention to the correct units

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Sooo, he took a bag the night before that was filled during training months before when he was using salbutamol to lean up?

Digger forum’s theory, yes?

Based on absolutely zero evidence of course.

Who said salbutamol makes you lean? Ha

Evidence? That's boring. I'm all about wild conspiracy theories.
Re. Makes you lean, last sentence in the velonews pic tester posted.

Froome of all people should know that you shouldn't lean.

Makes sense. But his reputation is now shite because he's already failed the dope test. No one will give a shit if his get out is successful. Okay maybe some fans but general public will only think "Froome, failed test, typical".

Why could Ulissi not recreate this?

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Another pint?

“The athlete himself and the medical staff of the team will continue to explore the reasons why the urine has been identified as having an abnormal and high presence of salbutamol after only two inhalations being performed,” said the squad.

It noted that the rider ‘strongly rejects’ the presence of such an amount of salbutamol. It said that he had availed of a possibility in UCI and WADA regulations to undergo a controlled excretion study for the substance.

https://cyclingtips.com/2014/06/double-giro-stage-winner-ulissi-provisionally-suspended-after-salbutamol-positive/

He only got 9 months not 2 years, presumably because they proved he could take normal dose and still excrete high levels.