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  • You’ll still need to flush the group on a dual-boiler R58 as it uses the ancient e61 grouphead design which cools down and robs heat from the water when it’s been idling. I used to use the multi-boiler R8 commercial machine and even that couldn’t manage temperature, I always pulled a shot into the drip tray after it had been idling which is worse than just pulling a cooling shot on a hx, hence why it got updated to a saturated group, La Marzocco style.

    Tl;dr: water wastage issue is moot.

  • I see. Told you I was still learning.

    So, would you recommend a higher quality HX machine over a similarly priced, and therefore arguably lower quality DB machine?

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