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  • Well...

    War on Want came out as Brexit
    The refugee deal with Turkey is somewhat iffy
    And the hard lefties I know are proper socialists and have seen the nasty treatment of the boat refugees, it's not that the EU or the UK are THAT bothered.

    I can understand if you've seen people crushed by "the system" a distant view is hard to sell. [unless you have become a hardened cynic, and I admire the work and idealism of these people i know]

    But yes maybe they think they have nothing to lose and are wrong, or genuinely don't have anything to lose, but then what about the rest of us? The lack of strategic thinking really baffles me.

  • But yes maybe they think they have nothing to lose and are wrong, or genuinely don't have anything to lose

    yes, this.

    I am genuinely looking for outside the bubble views on the current state of affairs. How is this justified in the bigger picture that Brexiteers have.

  • Well, it seems some people value things like "country" and "freedom" and "the EU has done bad stuff" over "can I eat and work?"

    Welcome to humans, where imaginary concepts sometimes take over.

    The leave campaign of course knew this, and input things like "sovereignty" "democracy" and terms they didn't define well, added a sprinkling of £ (THE bus) and then some basic fear mongering (immigrants)

    Lexit, in fairness, pointed out -some- things the EU isn't doing right like how they treat refugees...there is no compromise with Lexit. No realpolitik. And, if I am being unkind, not enough cynicism.

    I'm of the type that if by following your ideals you end up with WORSE results, you need to adjust. Others would say that muddles everything and compromises you. It's not a question that has a "right" answer. So, I sorta respect people with left ideals, but it's still dumb.

    But even with a lexit, we'd all be much poorer, and economic downturns cause victims...especially if the left is not in power.

    (you could argue it's just hubris to call for this in tory country, I mean come on....that's the revolution bit maybe, break the system and hope people come to you?)

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