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  • The point was why are they so low, which they aren't, maybe the headtubes could be slightly longer, but to cater for the slammed wanna be racer brigade and the fookin ell I'm over 40 and my back aches brigade, spacers give you the choice (like the height adjustment on a quill stem).
    If you don't race why would you want to be folded in half, having to strain your neck muscles to look at the view, I'll go more upright even if it involves a few spacers.

  • The point was why are they so low, which they aren't.

    Fair point, what people haven't realised with Surly's Stack and Reach that it does not included the headset*, which add around a centimetre (Chris King headset stack is 33.95mm).

    This is where Surly's sizing is consistent funnily enough, the Stack correspondent with the seat tube length (56cm Cross-Check have a Stack of 556.5mm).

    Add a headset, the Stack will be over 560mm.

    *To be absolutely fair, a lots of manufacturer don't included headset stack either

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