Sell my Crabon, build a steel road bike.

Keep an eye on @HerrJ 's sales dude. Some rad dutch bargainz

Yes I've been eyeing those up.

Plus the Italian stallions.

Why don't you just sell the Willier frame initially and then build up the new frame with the kit and slowly swap bits out as you need/want?

That's an option. Although for some reason it doesn't seem to float my boat. I like the starting from scratch aspect of a total build.

OR, I could just buy this:

https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/305946/

yeah, but where's the fun in that?

Precisely.

I am still most taken with the Daccordi frame and forks on eBay.

Great frame tubing, shiny chrome, right size, internal top tube cabling, cool graphics. It's winning the race right now.

I selling my concorde frame hopefully next month.size 57

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Full bike? How much?

Just frame and fork

Have you bought anything yet ?
The Daccordi is now £300 or offers, I'd buy it myself in an instant but it's far too big for me

Ooh, I hadn't seen the price drop.

I'd sort of convinced myself that waiting til after Christmas was a good idea...

If you're buying new you might be right. But where's the fun in waiting?

My two penneth (FWIW, YMMV etc).

Although the usual advice is to split a bike for the best return, I'm not sure that's the case here: I don't see many people who would want to build a bike up, looking to start with the Izoard. I can see you selling the group and wheels for modest amounts and being stuck with the frameset.

I'd sell it complete and pitch it at the "my first carbon roadie douchebag" market: so eBay, Gumtree, Cyclechat etc. Can't help with pricing specifically, but Fidbod's musings sound about right: have a look at what else is available for the price you would be asking.

What do you want to do with the new bike? Sunday best cafe-racer? All year around ride? Commuting? Etc, etc.

Either way, I'd be leery of going to far back in time. Make sure it mounts recessed tube nut brakes; be aware that you'll likely be limited to 25mm tyres and no mudguards; and the only argument for quill stems is aesthetic.

For me, an oversized tubeset/Columbus Max and a pair of Columbus Minimal forks (to avoid a threaded headset, as much as for the carbon) would be the sweetspot.

Wot Scilly said.

If all year round road bike, I'd look at modern steel

If sunday best, got to be more classic but I'm still a big fan of modern groupsets and wheels to keep it a performance machine. I'd wait for something special
Some of my favourites:

@Breso 's

If commuter

(All only what I'd do in your position)

Pinarello wins out of these for me. Made an excellent choice by not opting for black spokes.

Crikey, that is all very useful musing!

I was just about to pull the trigger on the Daccordi, for under three hundred notes. Now I wonder if I should.

This will be a Sunday best and I am thinking of modern ish Groupo, rather than going period.

I'm not sure what is meant by recessed tube nut brakes? How can I check compatibility?

I'm ok with the threaded steered and quill stem, but would like a decent range of gears, possibly even a triple. Brifters for sure, I think.

The Daccordi does do recessed nut brakes.

I bought it. £290.

@Breso out of curiosity, do you know what cages are on the Colnago?

Shit. Well jealous of that, had my eye on that for a while. Looking forward to the finish.

but would like a decent range of gears, possibly even a triple. I am thinking of modern ish Groupo, rather than going period.

Don't need triple with Ze new Ultegra semi compact Angliru cassette.

Arundel, IMO better than the King cages I have on my Pinarello.

Ze new Ultegra semi compact Angliru cassette.

This sounds good.

"Built like a climber, climbs like a sprinter". That's me.

Half price Ultegra Groupo at Vanilla Bikes:

https://www.vanillabikes.com/products/shimano-ultegra-6800-11-speed-groupset?variant=338466106

Which bits of that are likely to not work on a 1985 Italian frame?