• re ASLs, @Oliver Schick made a great contribution i.e. classic Oliver, not too long. But I think there may be a legal precedent that means:

    they actually increase the number of other illegal manoeuvres rather than reduce them, e.g. drivers often overshoot the first stop line and then cyclists move even further ahead, often beyond the second stop line, etc.

    isn't quite the case ... in that, although technically not desired, no longer illegal for cycles to advance a reasonable distance over their stop line to wait, if a motor has advanced into the pre-ASL zone then stopped. I now do this regularly, happy that I could argue there's a legal precedent that we can.

  • isn't quite the case ... in that, although technically not desired, no longer illegal for cycles to advance a reasonable distance over their stop line to wait, if a motor has advanced into the pre-ASL zone then stopped. I now do this regularly, happy that I could argue there's a legal precedent that we can.

    Passing over a stop line when the light is red will still be illegal, but the law is to be interpreted in the context of the wider situation (e.g. ABH is an offence on its own but may be acceptable if it was in self-defence).

    In a situation the judge will consider the intention of the actions too. If you move in front of a motor vehicle that has encroached into the ASL (whether legally or not) then putting half of your bike over the next stop line with no intention to jump the light will probably be looked on favourably.

    Of course out on the road you're not at the mercy of a judge but the random Police Officer that is there on the scene. You may get a sensible one that will look at the situation and ignore it, or you may get an over zealous one that decides to FPN you anyway. You've then got a sticky choice of paying a bit and shutting up, or paying lots more to try and challenge it in court and hope for a favourable judgement.

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