• re ASLs, @Oliver Schick made a great contribution i.e. classic Oliver, not too long. But I think there may be a legal precedent that means:

    they actually increase the number of other illegal manoeuvres rather than reduce them, e.g. drivers often overshoot the first stop line and then cyclists move even further ahead, often beyond the second stop line, etc.

    isn't quite the case ... in that, although technically not desired, no longer illegal for cycles to advance a reasonable distance over their stop line to wait, if a motor has advanced into the pre-ASL zone then stopped. I now do this regularly, happy that I could argue there's a legal precedent that we can.

  • Thanks, Skülly. I can't remember hearing about that precedent (can you give a link?), but as far as I'm aware the law hasn't changed. I consider it quite possible that a judge may have seen a scenario in which a cyclist in their judgement was acting reasonably in advancing in this way, although whether that would be applicable generally is probably debatable. It obviously pretty much negates what the point was in the first place.

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