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Just to decode that a little—you're saying it's fine to condone or abide Israel's entitlement driven, borderline genocidal tendencies because they've been on the rough end of it? That's bollocks.
The Labour Party needs overcome righteous bitterness of this kind. It's more complicated than this. It's possible, as a Jewish person, to feel some connection to Israel as a place, without condoning its every action. It's also possible to disagree with the Israeli state without implying that you think the whole concept of Israel is wrong or evil. For example, rather than talking about "genocidal tendencies" you should mention specific events by specific governments. How do you think a british person with Israeli relatives would respond to your comments here? Would they want to engage with you, or simply become more entrenched in their view that the British Left has abandoned them?
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I think someone who believes that “the British Left has abandoned them” is essentially beyond sensible engagement as it is apparent they have lost any rational understanding of people’s attitudes toward the Israel/Palestine issue.
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I agree with all that.
But you seem to be conflating Judaism with the State of Israel.
It is wholly possible to be anti Israel without being an anti Semite.
It is also utter nonsense to suggest all British people with Israeli relatives support the State of Israel. Indeed the three Israeli families in my middle class wine drinking massive do not support the state and are ashamed of what it has done over the years.
As for asking for specific events, I’m not sure there’s time to post them all before bed. There are plenty of lists on the internet and they don’t stop in 1948.
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You'll notice that I never used words that are even tantamount to "wrong" or "evil", and I've tried to express myself in objective, political terms.
I anticipate that it's possible that somebody, Jewish or not, who fundamentally believes in the premise of Israel as Zion would find it distressing and alienating to read that somebody on the internet who is not of Jewish faith questions the sometimes controversial actions of Israel under the guise of racial entitlement.
As I've said — one of the biggest things standing in the way of discussing the state of Israel (as Zion, or as an aggressive nation state using this as a pretext for controversial acts) is the tendency to push the antizionism discourse towards an antisemitic one.
Does that mean you shouldn't question or offer criticism?
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Just to decode that a little—you're saying it's fine to condone or abide Israel's entitlement driven, borderline genocidal tendencies because they've been on the rough end of it? That's bollocks.