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  • I hope this doesn't seem like I'm picking on you, or trying to start an argument in general, you just happen to have made a recent post that sums up a lot of the problems I have with this thread. A fair few people in here seem to agree that the meat and dairy industry as a whole are problematic and unnecessary but are, for some reason, unwilling to cut the products of these industries out completely. The idea that reducing the amount of cruelty being inflicted upon an animal by buying meat and dairy from animals that have potentially lived a better life, when there is an option to cut out this cruelty altogether also doesn't sit right with me either. I also can't really get on board with the idea that a little bit of meat and dairy is necessary for a healthy diet. We're fortunate enough to live in a part of the world where there are plenty of ways to live a perfectly healthy lifestyle, without consuming any animal products. Again, just my thoughts, I'm not trying to start an argument, I just find a lot of the views expressed in this thread a bit at odds with the idea of eating responsibly and ethically that people are clearly concerned about. The fact that people are thinking more about where their food comes from is great, it just doesn't go far enough in my eyes. #anotherpreachyvegan

  • No offence at all. It's just healthy discussion. In this country we may with careful dietics be able acquire all the nutrients we need in balanced way. Vegetarians can alot of the time fall into certain defecincy if they eat without thought...esp things like iron. In many countries most food is seasonal. For example Iron from spinach will be winter only and therefore meat is required to cover other times when you don't have the ability to import from opposite hemisphere.
    This is problematic too because it's not fresh or environmentally friendly neither.
    Humans as a race would not have survived if they didn't eat meat during the ice age. But when times are better farming is the most safest form of acquiring food, persistent hunting would have been quite dangerous way to get food and would have been a way to get food when need be. Until we decided to breed and domesticate them and completely f..ed there genetics to suit or vain needs.

  • Humans may not have survived through the last ice age quite as far north or south but may well have been able to survive without meat closer to the equator, although I very much doubt being vegan was thought about at the time. Past is in the past though and in some parts of the world a meat free diet is a perfectly healthy option. The crap about vegetarian diets needing to watch out for certain deficiencies is not to do with being vegetarian, just poor diet, just as likely to happen to an omnivore with a poor diet, there is plenty of iron in all sorts of stuff, moreso per calorie than meat in a lot of cases. The only exception is B12 and it's easy to get enough of that in various ways, although takes a little more thought as a vegan rather than veggie.

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