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I had a Croix de Fer before this, it was 12kg, which for me is too fucking heavy. I don't really agree with the 'you'll stop noticing the weight' thing. You won't up hills or in the nimbleness (for want of a better word) of the bike. But I don't like heavy bikes.
I did 40 miles on the Orro on Sunday that was nearly all off road but had a stretch of Essex B roads about half way to join up two off road parts. Despite having knobbly tyres on the Orro still felt fast, I literally looked down and realised I was easily doing 25+ mph. CdF was not like that and that's what I wanted, something that would be good off road but also fast on it.
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I have the Croix de Fer at the moment as well, and agree, the weight is always something that bothered me when the road went up, which is why I was looking at something lighter.
Where did you get the Orro from? Direct or from LBS? Would like to try one for size but don't think there are any shops that stock the Terra C.
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Normally, that's what I think too.... but I don't know whether it's material/geometry/something else, but it's true. At first you think 'fucking heavy' then it progresses to 'normal', then it goes to the momentum thing after three or four hours..... it weighs a gnats cock under 29lbs in a 58 set up tubeless.
swmlon
stedlocks
That's interesting.
Took the Sequoia out for a test ride today courtesy of Sigma, and although it was pretty dull and lifeless on the road, once I took it along the muddy path along the river, it was a lot of fun. This has blurred my options somewhat. I was convinced I wasn't going to find the Sequoia much fun as it's quite a heavy bike, but I was smiling like an idiot as I tried not to ride into the river. I do think something like the Orro or Diverge might be more nimble off road and a little more fun on road. But who knows. So far, I've just ridden the Sequoia so it's the leader so far.