Responsible meat-eating

"Beak-trimming?" Wtf?
I'm not googling that. Fuck that business. I like being a smug recent vegan convert. Sat in the van right now while my colleague is in starfucks. I convinced him to go soy with his latte, whether or not he'll bottle it at the till and go squeezed cow instead remains to be seen...

I imagine he's probably referring to this:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/sep/29/food-regulator-chicken-supplier-food-safety-dates-2-sisters-food-group

What's people opinion on halal and kosher meats.
My issue is two fold.
Firstly the needless extra cruelty endured during death.
Secondly the lie that is prayer during slaughter the animal is sacrificed to God and thanked when we have breed and raised and this has been it's destiny from birth for our eating pleasure and not nutrition or necessity. What ever your belief is I find I can't accept this.
And the fact that someone eating halal/kosher wouldnt eat something that has been sacrificed to another/different God seem absurd.

Milk in tea is the one thing that is really hard.

I don't ever take milk in tea and I don't drink coffee, but people say some of the new-ish plant 'milks' are pretty good for that purpose, e.g. Oatly Barista.

Ah, the cruelty industry is such a joy.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/jailed-kebab-shop-owner-who-used-cement-mixer-to-make-doner-meat-a3646701.html

Needless to say, these occasional stories are just the tip of the iceberg. Killing living beings and working out what to do with the corpses is an incredibly messy business.

feed the corpses to other animals obvs

then kill those animals

Yup, fairy industry is pretty much the worst all round. If you give a fuck enough to change your habits, veganism is a the only way to go.

I obviously don't give a fuck enough.

I'm leaving that typo as it is

You have dat dingers.

Is soy any better though in terms of the amount of rain forest destruction that has occurred to create land to grow it?

It’s cruel and unnecessary. Best avoided.

working out what to do with the corpses is an incredibly messy business.

Paying strangers to:

Rape mothers - repeatedly until they are rendered useless.
Take those newly borns away to put a bullet in their heads and slit their throats.
Hang them upside down.
Harvest their organs.
Cut the flesh out into manageable chunks. And wrap in oil.

I dont know what you mean ;)

It's mostly grown as livestock feed. Comparatively little of it is eaten by humans.

I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of meat makes it to pets and livestock too.

I base that only on the easy supply of cow/pig/sheep/chicken feet/tendons/penises/cheeks/ears/gullets/stomachs that I buy for my dog.

There was chat earlier about where to buy decent meat. In Bristol, Better Food is excellent. It's also pricey enough that you buy less, which is probably how things should be. I've also just used Farmdrop for the first time, available in London too I think, and the food and service was excellent. Currently loads of half price off your first order deals too. I'm no expert, and maybe I've been taken in by their marketing, but I think the quality and ethics of both these suppliers are going to be about as good as it gets.

If you give a fuck enough to change your habits, veganism is a the only way to go.

I'm nearly there...Just need to drop the very occasional cheese. I just can't do vegan cheese on pizza.

+1 the less & better approach.

Meat free at home, selective over where eat where poss. Pragmatic approach, acceptance that sometimes logistics means eating lower standard as only viable choice at that point.

Never got on with Vegan cheese. Although recently had the vegan option from pizza express and the 'cheese' that they use is the best I've tried so far. I still prefer their cheese-less pizza tho (Giardineira?? Definitely not spelt like that!)

Voodoo Rays has just opened in Peckham and their Vegan option is also v good (half price on all food till October!) no cheese replacement just enough tasty ingredients to be interesting.

Bought Violife Prosociano to try. Vom. Just rank. Will try some of the others next.

problems with the environmental impact of vegetarian diets

This confuses me - what are they?

Developing world doesent consume as much meat as the developed world so 'just go vegan' is a privileged position to be in.

Kinda like saying 'do what you love'.

Anyway, will there be any genuine responsible meat eating discussion happening or just shouting MURDERER at a meat eater in here?

Not tried that one specifically, but I have tried a whole load of planty milk things and none of them compare. As I said I just drink green tea or coffee instead. Easy enough.

Well, I've got some green beans in the fridge that were air freighted from Kenya. They aren't organic either implying the use of pesticides which are really bad news for the environment. Driven from the airport to the supermarket and then on to me by delivery driver too. Not great.

Rice is another issue...produces a huge amount of methane.

Of course, source locally is the goal for meat eaters and vegetarians

Mono-cultures and other such things. One could argue that chopping down forests to cover huge swathes of land in soy is not much better than chopping them down and raising cattle. It is better, but growing only a few species of resource-intensive crops is not the best solution to our various land-use/greenhouse gas/water shortage/ecological diversity/etc. issues.

As an example something that people often ponder is whether they're better off eating butter from a local dairy or margarine that is dairy-free but contains palm oil that has been flown over from a different continent. Palm oil has been responsible for massive devastation to rainforests, orangutan habitats and so on