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It was always going to happen, an easy, populist move. There's a pretty good chance that nothing will ever come out of it though.

Whatever happened to the pleas to revise the rules on dooring after a cyclist was killed on Holloway Road? I guess not media friendly enough.

Nothing energises a minister quite like a headline

The Department of Transport started a review of road offences in 2014 that, despite over 20 Parliamentary questions on progress, has still to publish anything.

With that idiot Grayling in charge, it'll probably be another 3 years before even a single paragraph is published.

5live just said upto 14yrs in the clink for dangerous cycling. Will that be in line with dangerous driving?

Also Nicky Campbell trying to shockjock interview the chap from the ctc, inc. suggesting a rlj bike is more dangerous to others than an rlj motor (unless i misheard this bit?)

Dft have quoted some figure of 2 killed and 96 seriously injured in 2015 but doesn't explain these - is that where cyclists were found to be at fault? Doesn't sound like it, but gives some nice stats to be misused.

Sounds like a good question for radio 4s more or less truth or fiction sunday night program.

Doing a law conversion course ATM. The Alliston case with a lot of obvious hatred of cyclists is used in a lot of examples. This gets a lot of nods and people saying words to the effect of "fucking cyclists" and anecdotal quotes of personal wrongdoings to them by cyclists. Looks great for this batch of legal 'professionals'.

What a load of bullshit. Attention grabbing fools.

Jesse norman had the nerve to say;

'“We already have strict laws that ensure that drivers who put people’s lives at risk are punished but,'

'“We already have strict laws that ensure that drivers who put people’s lives at risk are punished but,'

Yeah, tell that to the family of Esme Weir.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/delivery-driver-who-mounted-pavement-12782437

I jsut made that point to him on twitter. I also wrote to his parliament email.

yea that would be good

The review has been launched in response “to a series of high profile incidents involving cyclists” according to the official press release of the announcement.

Could name two.

what was the other one?

Not this old chestnut/

How would they enforce dooring laws?

Cant even enforce brake laws.
A momentary lapse in concentration is a bit different to knowingly flaunting the law.
Even if they both end up in accidental death.

The one where Grayling knocked a reckless cyclist to the ground when he innocently opened a car door right in front of him. Could have scratched his car that one.

Not as high profile but made the local news

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/woman-dies-after-being-hit-by-cyclist-on-oxford-street-a3634461.html

Would make sense to do the second phase (i.e. the consultation) first to understand the broader perspective otherwise it all risks getting a bit 'Dangerous Dogs'.

If a cyclist is knocked off by someone opening a door then it's reasonably clear given the amount of cctv, as much as any case can be.

Going through a red light as you're not paying attention and running someone over could also be a momentary lapse in concentration, I don't think that would be viewed as acceptable.

The point though is that it is very similar to this case. Someone was potentially killed by a person opening a car door in their path (in even more parallels to this case the window tints were illegal as well, akin to no front brake). The dooring penalty is minor so they tried to prosecute as manslaughter as there was no appropriate charge.

In the Holloway Road case, Sam Harding's father Keith said there was a "gap in the law".
Speaking to the BBC, he said: "Obviously the jury didn't think it was serious enough to convict him for manslaughter."
He added: "The law needs to find something that is commensurate."

It is all remarkably similar but no action has been taken.

So much wasted energy and needless vitriol - government by clickbait.

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Something that has passed me by, is what the issued with the wanton and furious driving offense actually is.

He was charged, found guilty, sentenced.

What gap in the law did this case highlight?

There need to be moar punishments for cyclists. Driving like cunts around us isn't enough.

They need to be punished in the same way that drivers are for killing people by careless driving. Duh

No no punishment then?

Yeah try telling people that. Fingers in ears "LA LA LA LA Not listening, cyclists are reckless, killing people, a danger to us all, LA LA LA LA"

No no punishment then?

You could give them points on their cycling license and when they reach a certain number of points (12 or so) the cyclist has to come up with a vague excuse about needing their bike to keep their job/family/etc and be allowed to continue to ride it anyway.

That'd teach them.