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run into a road & the should there be a witness which says the driver made no attempt to stop or avoid a collision then yes the driver could be found to be at fault, should a vehicle found to be defective, or no MOT or insurance, or the driver has no licence or fails a breath test it gets even worse...

However life isn't fair, you may run out in front of the Chief Contestable daughter who's driving home whilst pissed, only to wake up in cell awaiting charges of possession of a stun gun & 5 wraps of smack which have been planted into your letard.

run into a road & the should there be a witness which says the driver made no attempt to stop or avoid a collision then yes the driver could be found to be at fault, should a vehicle found to be defective, or no MOT or insurance, or the driver has no licence or fails a breath test it gets even worse...

Or, you know, better. No MOT, hit & run, 4 months:

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/reading-berkshire-news/earley-driver-jailed-four-months-13264796

Dear LFGSS users,

Are we all the same now? You've expressly joined this site to chime in and yet it's simply too inconvenient to respond to individual users' different perspectives on this incident?

If that's the case then off you fuck indeed.

In your contrived situation you might be able to out brake a car travelling at the same speed, but in the majority of situations you won't. You won't in the wet. You won't if the driver is also covering their brakes. etc.

Here's a further link for braking figures with links to sources:- https://www.johannes-strommer.com/diverses/pages-in-english/stopping-distance-acceleration-speed/#bremsweg

A bicycle is about 0.56g (as the previous link I provided suggested) and cars are anything from 0.8g to 1.2g (the range for dry, flat, sealed road).

Send it to Private Eye for 'Malgorithms'?

In Bicycling Science, amongst some complicated maths that I don't understand, the author reckons that the maximum deceleration of a cyclist on a road bike is about 0.5g before they go over the bars.

Can't find a link to the article I'd read before, but there's plenty of evidence for the maximum deceleration for cars. For example if you take the distances from this and put them into the calculator on here you get around 1.0g.

That's a huge difference. Reaction times aside, it means similar braking distances for a bike at 20mph and a car at 30mph.

Who you calling a 'tard?!

So they should consider...
pedestrian training?

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your vehicle would never move, for fear of having an accident. What if ... pops out from between a parked car, what if ... runs onto the road.

The conclusion is you ride/drive assuming that someone may step into the road. Yes people would move in cars and on bikes but slower and with more consideration. Would make places where people need to interact in different modes more civilised

Our new guest is being intellectually dishonest...unless we live under strict liability laws? There is no way drivers go slow enough to avoid hitting peds in built up areas otherwise why do we have a child being hit everyday on their way to or from school in the UK? Why are there so many accident involving cars hitting people and mounting kerbs? We just need to be real and admit different vehicles are being held to differential standards, expectations and punishments.

We just need to be real and admit different vehicles are being held to differential standards, expectations and punishments.

We don't need to accept the different standards for different vehicles. That is what campaigning is about.

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In other news, Puerto Rico and the BVIs are about to get pummelled by Hurricane Maria. Bit worried.

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we can argue over use of "right of way" or "priority"

This still needs to be put right. Pedestrians have a common law "right of passage" to cross the road where they choose, except on motorways and some tunnels, bridges etc. Pedestrians do not have "right of way" or "priority" except at pedestrian crossings and at un-signalled junctions as described in Highway Code rule 170 https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/using-the-road-159-to-203
I think your other comment is quite correct:

however should you end up in court:-

It was your responsibility as a road-user to ensure you did not run into her.

In the UK the Highway Code rule 170 is not obeyed by the vast majority of drivers or riders, I have never heard of it being enforced. In most other countries it is enforced and reduces the danger to pedestrians (and cyclists https://is.gd/9qSeln ).

It seems that the judge has based Alliston's sentence on previous cases, particularly that of Darryl Gittoes http://road.cc/node/155056 . The judge didn't consider the actual circumstances of the cases, Gittoes hit a pensioner in a pedestrian only area while riding a bike with no brakes at all. She did consdier that Gittoes pleaded guilty, he got a 12 month sentence that would have been 18 without the guilty plea.

Would Charlie Alliston have been better advised to plead guilty to Wanton and Furious ... and not guilty to manslaughter? I don't know what the risks are of that strategy but it would have allowed him to express regret/remorse in court.

I don't know if Alliston's defence made the case that shouting at pedestrians is often more effective and quicker than using a bell or horn. Also swerving on a bike can be an alternative to braking, if you are not going too fast. These points don't seem to have got through to the judge who referred to Alliston's shouting as proof of culpability.

Did he get a life ban from driving? I think we need more of those.

This is vey much needed if Croydon is anything to go by.

What I have done is lifted elements of this incident and am asking what happens in regular scenarios where the rider isn't riding tarckbiek®.

Like the recent one where a woman die after getting hit by someone who's attending the RideLondon in Parson Green (but failed to stop).

any links to him blaming the victim ?

oh dear a nobody on the internet is telling me to "fuck off", gosh your hard your pixels have really offended me...

"you're"

and yeah, you kinda have just signed up to shitpost on here, i doubt you'll have much else to offer on this forum. you'll get bored soon and off indeed you shall fuck.

Do you post on pistonheads every time a motorist kills a pedestrian ? or are you only interested if a cyclist is involved ?

I don't own a car so don't have no interest in posting on "pistonheads"

So no interest in general road safety, just an interest in the odd occasion when a cyclist is involved.