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Age discrimination is legal in most countries in Europe.

It seems impossible to me to build an argument by comparing legal and not legal forms of discrimination.

You see this just makes me more curious.

The legality of discrimination has shifted over time. See recent LGBT rights over marriage and the armed forces, or the positive discrimination of a husband's ability to rape his wife VS. other men.

So we're saying that your ability to discriminate is solely tied to the law at any point.... which is fluid and dependent on social norms at any point in time.

Being foreign, homosexual, disabled or not speaking English don't make you a pain in the cunt.

Being a kid does.

I can't believe that all those nightclubs are able to get away with discriminating against children, the police colluding with them as well!

If children are cunts it's normally because the parents let them behave like cunts and DGAF.

I went in to a cafe the other day to see a pal that works there and a 4/5 year old kid is sat right in front of the door, on the inside. Parents just stare balefully as I wait. And wait. Kid not moving. And wait. Am I supposed to crack this little fuck in the face for them? Or does someone standing hand on door handle obviously wanting to get in not trigger a cascade of neurons to go from eye to brain to mouth to tell the little shit to move?

Dick parents, dick kids.

I dunno, aren't they all just little cunts? At some point at least?

Mostly that fucking rank, grubby, sticky hand, snotty face, messy as fuck with food stage.

Boak.

It's fine to twat other people's kids, people think it's a faux pas, but really their parents want you to do what they think they shouldn't.

Probably true.

That whole using other people to discipline your own kids thing does my head in, you know, when they say "here comes the man to tell you off". I like to just reply "batter in wee man, you keep breaking that/drawing on that/pissing on that" even though I often want to boot the kid square in the nape of the neck.

if i behaved like a cunt my parents would tell me they'd take me back to the shop they bought me from.

still do.

off topic, but who does that?!?

explains a lot

oh! so I am not the only one who got that treatment. good to know.

they can't drive a car or get a job... They also get the luxury of not being tried as an adult if they commit a crime, such as smashing up a cafe.

I wouldn't let them in my cafe either tbh.

People who wish they'd not picked their child from the discount basket first time round.

Yes, I am fully aware that the law is fluid, that was why I specified that age discrimination is legal in most countries in Europe. Germany, for example, has legal protection against age discrimination in the labour market/workplace, and there is every reason to think that similar legislation will be introduced in other countries. Or it might not.

However, your reasoning is off. You try to discuss a constant, discrimination, by comparing a number of completely different things. It will get you nowhere. For example, most countries allow some degree of discrimination against people with a criminal record. The state of New York is taking steps to limit this. Their case against this form of discrimination is made on the back of arguments such as the inalienable rights of the individual, the benefit to wider society etc. And of course one can point to a change in norms, such as a belief that people change.
But if one instead uses your line reasoning by saying "if you deny someone a job on the basis of a past conviction for shop lifting, how is that different from discriminating against the left handed?" then someone else can use the same approach to say "if a convicted shop lifter is allowed to work in a shop, then what's to prevent a convicted pedophile from working in a nursery?".

I used to mentor kids at the school overlooking the ground. Major weapons issues, not surprised by this unfortunately.

It's almost as if reality doesn't conform to easily applied one-size-fits-all rules for every situation.

To elaborate, your crime example could be supported by evidence that shoplifters rarely reoffend after rehabilitation but pedophiles don't. I doubt this is actually true but taking the view that all arguments must be extended outwards until they fail and then abandoned makes it kind of hard to have any arguments at all.

Who was the cnut that killed that kangaroo in aus?

^wasn't me, I've never been there

knowing what we know now ... maybe rolf harris ?

You try to discuss a constant, discrimination, by comparing a number of completely different things. It will get you nowhere.

What peaked my curiosity is that I don't think I've ever considered discrimination by comparison to it's application in different sectors. All to get to the route of why most people's gut is the coffee shop owner should be allowed to exclude children, but not say, groups of more than 2 Spanish people.

The egs you've just used are about safety. So the starting point is that you shouldn't discriminate, but that it's permissable where there is a safety or protection element in either direction - pedophiles in nurseries, or children in nightclubs, etc.

The difference with the coffee shop, is his rational is based on the fact he wants a certain vibe which children would prevent. Like clubs only letting in select people. But nether relate to safety - they start with freedom of choice. The freedom of a proprietor to choose how they run their establishment.

I don't think he killed it...just tied it down.

#trytheveal

Let's just go with crew then. the between 4th and 6th floors crew has a ring to it.

I'd fully endorse not allowing them to get jobs either.

whoops wrong reply.

"Drunk" and in charge of a bike: http://road.cc/content/news/228582-drunk-cyclist-who-had-been-pushing-bike-was-locked-police-under-19th-century-law

*not sure if it's been posted already