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Have there been any studies on the extent to which people rely on hearing as opposed to vision when deciding on whether it's safe to cross the road? I'm continuously flabbergasted by the sheer frequency of times pedestrians have stepped into the road without looking, or step into the road and then take a glance, when I'm on the bike, but it appears to happen a lot less when I'm driving a car. (Gah, how complicated; I belong to two different tribes!)
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Lots of curious factual errors in this
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Drivers are rigorously tested and policed
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Second slot on News at 10 last night, so about as big as you can get.
Well, almost as big as you can get ;p (sos)
Sad that The Guardian went with 'mowing down'
The problem lies with comparing bicycles and motor vehicles.
Theres not really much point using tit for tat arguments like 'what about all the drivers that x' or 'I hate all the bike riders that do y' when no one agrees on whether we should treat them as the same or not.
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Sorry to hear about that. It is to be expected; people who don't know anything about cycling are genuinely frightened by such things, as part of the general canon of bogeymen/-women/-things certain sections of the press frighten them with. I don't know if they'd been frightened if these things had been reported correctly, but the popular narrative now is: Cyclist didn't have a brake on his bike and killed someone because of that.
This is as condensed and false as it can be, but it will remain a problem for years to come, and we will all have to correct it for the actual facts where we can. (I should add that there is, of course, the background of a partial guilty verdict in the case, so that has to be respected in any untruth-correcting, but I suspect the above would have become the resulting urban myth even if he had been acquitted of both charges.)
I assume that your brake is mounted on the straight of the bars and not as visible as, say, brake levers with drop bar hoods. You can see how little this guy must have known about bikes that he couldn't even spot yours. Add to this that he thought it was OK to handle your bike without your knowledge or consent (even though you had locked it?); I have usually heard of cases like that following collisions or altercations, as in some cases drivers picked up bikes and threw them in anger/whatever emotion they were experiencing. It's certainly to be hoped that people won't become subject to spontaneous inspections like that.
Hope you manage to overcome the negative feelings from this.
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Yes, I think you (or someone else) may have mentioned that before. It's actually quite restricted to cases in which a crash has occurred and the police saw it; it is that curious kind of after-the-fact charge that is probably the start of a slippery slope towards blaming pedestrians or introducing 'jaywalking' legislation. Nonetheless, as things stand even in NI pedestrians currently have the right to cross anywhere, irrespective of how blame may be assigned afterwards.
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I was being flippant. Yes, the whole point of it being discretionary is to allow attribution of blame to a pedestrian in the event of an "accident". It's not like if you walk out into a clear road you'll get your collar felt. Considering most people in NI live in areas with no pavement/sidewalk/footpath.
But, it's hardly one of NI's most ridiculous laws........
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That's exactly what he said happened when he posted here.
Thanks, I should probably have remembered that but didn't.
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It does make you wonder how it came about. Perhaps there was a particular case that prompted it and it sailed under the radar.
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No doubt already posted but this is worth a read. http://thecyclingsilk.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/the-alliston-mis-trial.html?m=1
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Reads a lot like the Guardian article....Serial tho, for the 'pro no brakes' guys. Why, not?
Whats the reason for no brake on the bike, honestly.
The law says its a no-no, common sense, general consensus, countless threads and even court cases say so.
So theres gotta be a better reason then 'dont wnt 1' lol
It dint used to be a big deal really but, well, now look what you've all gone and caused!!Asking for a friend.
In regards to Charlie he has been kinda lucky.
The Judge sounds intelligent and fair.
The charge of Manslaughter is dropped because there is no solid case for negligible action.
There is no case for negligible action because you cannot prove whether someone knows something or not, in respect to the defence.
The Judge urged the Jury to take care with deliberation, reminding the Jury of the defendants age and the rarity of the accident.
The Judge is considering a jail term in response to the defendants actions surrounding the case and his demeanor in court.Laws are gonna be changing and theres deff gonna be some aggro.
I've noticed cars n shit getting closer in past few weeks, Ive got a road bike and don't usually have problems.
Maybe I'm doing it.
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Lots of curious factual errors in this
Lazy and sanctimonious. Cyclists must realise they are traffic? Sunshine we all do. It's the rest of the road users who seem to lack that understanding.
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Hi Oliver, thanks for your reply.
Bike was not locked, I was in and out within 2 minutes, and the petrol station is set back from the main road and seems quite safe to leave it for a couple of minutes. The bike has 'bullhorn' bars and the brake lever is at the end of the bar, like on some time trail bikes. I have not heard of bikes being picked up and thrown but will be mindful of this, and will now always lock my bike, and probably avoid places where angry mini-cab drivers park en-masse.
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We said.
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Jeez! No euphemisms there!
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I never leave any of my property unattended. Sorry about your experience but no way in hell would my bike be left unlocked even for a two minute jaunt.
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remember: it's ok to blame victims if there's a possibility they may get clattered by a driver. sorry. "car".