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• #47727
Sadly you're unlikely to get much airtime with that viewpoint because of the respective demographic of the victim and perpetrator.
A mother will naturally elicit sympathy whilst a pierced & tattoo'd hipster oik will attract derision at best. This will lead to diminishing of her part and amplification of his. In fact, that's borne out by the press coverage. The press being naturally good at exploiting this tendency of people to lead with emotion.
That society values certain demographics above others should come as no surprise. They may appear to chop and change depending on the issue of the day but when the chips are down the hierarchy is shown to be firmly established.
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• #47728
The video to me looks pretty rushed, absolutely unnecessary and outright confusing to be rotating a camera for a forensic report let alone letting people walk between the camera and subject (Pathetic). One very long lens at a far distance please.
The poor lighting and anonymity mask only goes to obfuscate the riders actual breaking/riding abilities.
The conditions don't match those on the day (if i read correctly in one of the numerous articles that it was dry). Counter to Alliston's cause, even if it were a wet day, that little lane would probably have a lot more grip than old street due to the heavy use it (old street) gets causing a polished and grimy surface.
No mention of riders height/weight matching Alliston's.
It would be pretty easy to produce a counter video of multiple riders of varied experience to provide better statistics, on that note a single riders attempt no matter how numerous (and considering the bias natural to his employment) does not make for a forensic report no? -
• #47729
Sad that The Guardian went with 'mowing down'
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• #47730
I don't normally post on here, but I had a very bad experience yesterday evening. I cycle home past Heathrow Airport and ride fixed with a front brake and have foot retention, SPD pedals. Yesterday I stopped at the petrol station opposite Hatton Cross station to buy some food, the petrol station is used by mini-cab drivers as a waiting area as it is close to the airport. I presume this is so that they don't have to pay to park at the airport and can just use the pick-up area when they get a fare. I don't know the legalities of this as there is signage indicating that it is not a car park. When I came out one of the mini-cab drivers was holding my bike and spinning the pedals backwards and forwards. I asked him politely to let go of my bike, I could not understand his reply due to his strong accent and tone of anger in his voice. Eventually, after repeating himself several times, I could make out 'fixie' 'no brake' 'did you see the news' 'how do you stop?' so I presume that he thought my bike was illegal. I pointed to the front brake and told him that I use this to stop, please could I have my bike back. I could not understand his reply, again there was a tone of anger in his voice, so I grabbed my bike, and got out of there. I was very shaken.
I am just wondering if us cyclists will receive some sort of backlash / aggressive behavior from the general public due to the Charlie Alliston case?
This is not to belittle the tragedy of a wife and mother being killed.
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• #47731
fuck that noise. next time get in his car, start it up and ask him if he's seen the news.
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• #47732
^ Beat me to it, GH
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• #47733
How big of a deal is the Alliston case in not cycling related media? Is it like front page news or just a small column in sports?
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• #47735
Still front page the next day. Had "breaking news" pop up thing yesterday. Unbelievable really.
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• #47736
Was anyone driving the moped at the time 😎
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• #47737
beyond the opening sentence, there is no other mention of the perpetrator.
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• #47738
Yeah that's really pissed me off
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• #47739
Second slot on News at 10 last night, so about as big as you can get.
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• #47740
I read the following between the lines of various reports (and obviously haven't seen any video). Charlie claims that she stepped back into his path as he tried to go around her back. Perhaps he thought that she would carry on walking and changed direction
That's exactly what he said happened when he posted here.
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• #47741
I'm not sure how to judge the amount of attention this case gets. Dark times ahead for fixie skidders
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• #47742
it'll be forgotten about this time next week.
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• #47743
stepped back into his path as he tried to go around her back. Perhaps he thought that she would carry on walking and changed direction.
This happens a lot no ?
I have been in that situation where the pedestrian suddenly appears in your path - realises the imminent danger and reflexly turns back to where they had set off from rather than continue their original direction.The cyclist hasn't time to foresee this and has already committed to an evasive direction.
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• #47744
It happens approximately twenty times a day to me, with other peds, as I walk across the City to the train station.
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• #47745
This.
Between 1941 and 2013, 118,152 people have been killed by vehicles equipped with brakes on the UK roads. There's no witch hunt, it will all just be forgotten.
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• #47747
I noticed a radio message from the doe in NI to pedestrians "please be careful, if you have headphones in, or stare at your phone you may not be aware of others".
No idea if it was inspired by this case, as they run ads on cycliat having to use lights (psni is doing spot checks), safe overtaking of cyclists by motorists (now also checked by psni much motorist whinging a on the psni facebook page etc..
As Oliver already pointed out, peds can legally cross where they want. Maybe ads are the way, but perhaps adding cycling and road safety to the curriculum is better?
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• #47748
Jay walking is an offence in NI
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• #47749
At PSNI discretion
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• #47750
Maybe ads are the way
Think Bike ?
Is that the actual video they based the expert witness on? The copper doesn't attempt any kind of emergency stop - he just slows down his pedaling. Surely they would have to have someone experienced in riding fixed to make it in anyway meaningful.
No sure Alliston's brief was up to much if they couldn't get that contested.