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  • Not being on Twitter I wasn't aware this stuff was so prevalent, I basically get my Trump context from this thread, so in that sense it's useful for you to raise it. While it's sickening I don't think hatred towards a specific individual is really comparable to hatred towards broad groups of people. Neither is good, obvs..

    The last image I'm pretty sure is a visual response to the "Head of Clinton as Medusa held aloft by Trump as Perseus" image that emerged pre election.

  • Wise choice. Stay away, it's a cesspit.

    A single forum thread where much of the users appear to be against the guy is probably a bad place for gaining the whole picture. Sure, there are a million reasons to think the guy's an awful person, and absolutely a bad leader - which I think he is - but some balance is needed and I rarely tend to see the left's often questionable and extreme actions discussed and held to account in establishment media, or even here, as much as I do the right's. That is a good point you make when put into that context, but the moment one side resorts to the sorts of things they denigrate their opponent for, on anyone, they lose the moral high ground.

    Also a good point, you reminded me of that image. Though, to be fair, the Medusa/Perseus mock-up didn't have Hillary's head covered in 'blood'...

  • they lose the moral high ground.

    Nope. Never got that phrase/idea.

    It is not just "the left" who oppose Trump, and they are not a unified, agreed whole who are responsible for each others words or actions, any more than "the right". I don't think those terms really apply to the current social and political situation in the US anyway.

    Looking for balance by comparing "hate" is a false equivalence. Some threats are metaphorical (in crosshairs etc), some mean it literally, it's not always obvious. But fundamentally, people being mean or nasty or even wishing Trump were dead doesn't diminish or affect the rightness of opposing an invigorated white supremacist movement. It's irrelevant. Non-metaphorical death threats by a group of people against another group of people, millions of people.

    I'm guessing/hoping that you aren't really trying to compare those two things, and you're meaning to show that political left can be just as "mean" as political right. Shrug. I wish Twitter death threats against figureheads were all that were needed to weigh up who is nice and who isn't. But I think there's something more important going on, and Trump is on the wrong side.

  • Okay I'm a bit more awake.

    I think your post was mistimed.

    I think what you are saying is "left can be mean and hateful too", which in the context of the left complaining about how mean the right are when it comes to death threats / personal hate against Clinton or Obama, sure, those things are more or less equivalent. Neither side has "moral high ground" and I still feel like that kind of hate is irrelevant to whatever the actual political issues are.

    Unfortunately in current context, it can appear that what you are saying is "the left can be mean and hateful too, therefore those who oppose literal white supremacy immediately lose their moral high ground". I don't think that can be what you mean.

    Opposing white supremacy is not a left/right issue.

  • I rarely tend to see the left's often questionable and extreme actions discussed and held to account in establishment media, or even here, as much as I do the right's

    Confirmation bias on your part.

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