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• #627
Kneading isn't strictly necessary with the right kind of process. Common to many methods is to make a sponge or levain to get the starter nice and active, then later mix up your dough and leave it to autolyse over a few hours, maybe with some stretch and folding, to develop the gluten without much kneading, which would otherwise be difficult with quite wet dough.
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• #628
the levain is the part I was missing. The problem is it's been so hot recently I've not been able to make any test loaves because they're going mouldy in a few days.
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• #629
What's going mouldy?
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• #630
I'd recommend a cast iron griddle plate or a big skillet as well.
The thermal properties of stone/ceramics are great for storing heat, but for giving it shocking the dough and getting a nice crust you'd be better off with iron.(Ideally you'd have a copper or aluminium plate, but the first one would be very expensive and the second would have to be too big for your oven - sorry about the engineer-splaining)
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• #631
Nice one – I'll get a skillet this weekend.
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• #632
Would it be worth just using a LeCreuset pan with lid as a dutch oven? Already got one of them...
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• #633
Yes.
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• #634
If you want to get fancy then sutff like this is supposed to be good
http://shop.lodgemfg.com/dutch-ovens/5-quart-cast-iron-double-dutch-oven.asp
You use it upside down, put the dough in the lid, then the other half back on top, and it keeps in the steam thereby giving a good 'oven spring'. (So the theory goes).
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• #635
Or one of these.
https://www.bakerybits.co.uk/bakery-equipment/bakery-books-and-gifts/la-cloche-baking-dome.html
Use it all the time for sourdough and highly recommend. Have used a standard Le Creuset too, which works, but then fishing the load out at the end can get a bit burny.
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• #636
I just bake in tins at the moment but am intending to try a dutch oven, cloche, etc., at some point.
Is it true that they tend to get a bit messed up over time by the act of baking bread i.e. residue tends to get burned on to the surface?
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• #637
the loaves of bread. Should be alright now it's not 30 degrees anymore though.
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• #638
Have been using a large enamelled dutch oven for a while now. Doesn't seem to have suffered any for it, but we use baking paper on the bottom so that might help
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• #639
"Patina"
Mine's unglazed, and it hasn't been a problem. It's got some blackened bits around the edges, but they don't cause any issue. Sweep a few carbonised crumbs out before each bake. I've never washed it (in a couple of years). From memory I think you're not meant to.
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• #640
I've struggled with getting really nice, thick crusts in the past. Using steam as well.
Is it just a case of leaving it in longer – like an hour?Crust is always delicious straight out of the oven but quickly goes soft. Not bad, just soft.
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• #641
I tried a dome once while working as a food photographer - it made one of the prettiest breads I've ever made. And less of a faff getting the loaves out than a cast iron pot.
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• #642
They would, but it shouldn't be a problem in your oven.
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• #643
How hot are you baking and for how long?
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• #644
Depends on the bread but for a standard bloomer, about 40-45 mins at 250.
Just doing a bit of reading, sourdough banneton loaves (what I'm aiming for) get done at 220 for an hour and sometimes a bit more at a lower temp after that, leaving to cool in oven etc.
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• #645
Few years ago, I followed Richard Bertinet's baguette recipe but they just ended up being long bread rolls.
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• #646
Ordered a banneton and some scrapers. Will make a starter soon, unless someone in east has one...
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• #647
Yeast starter?
I have some in Homerton I could split...
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• #648
You should be able to get a decent crust with that baking time.
Are you sticking olive oil in the dough? That can make it softer.
Sourdough is generally baked at a higher temperature than standard loaves, though I've not ever baked one for over 55 mins myself........well apart from when I went out and forgot to turn the oven off 😬
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• #650
How do you store it? We keep ours out, cut side down, and the crust is nice and chewy for day. The crispiness goes, but I wouldn't say it goes soft
Ha ok.
I've just done a little more reading, going to try using my sourdough starter differently next time. I've been having to aid it with yeast to get it to raise.
I think I need someone to teach me how to knead bread properly.