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Pretty much sums up my view on this disaster.

That is amazing.

His videos are great

Meanwhile, in Portugal...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40320411

We were not far away in the last few days. Really somber atmosphere out here.

Wow. Hits. Nail. On. Head. So well done. Man speaks the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsGVghRBdKI

yeah

Someone spoofed the BBC's #tomorrowspaperstoday with a mocked-up Mail front page calling on May to leave with a shonky font and awful copy-editing. A number of prominent people retweeted it and then deleted it after a few mins, but it's picked up a little traction. I wonder how many disappointed people there will be in the morning...

Radio says police will announce bigger dead/presumed dead number tomorrow. That Dj Isla interview vid is going viral just hope it's not as many as she reckons.

Hope everyone's OK in N4

One man reported dead and many injured after a man in a van ploughed into worshippers leaving the mosque.

Plenty of mobile phone footage on twitter showing the perpetrator being arrested.

Eight people were taken to hospital after the "terrorist attack" near Finsbury Park Mosque, police said.

Wonder why the BBC used inverted commas for this attack

It's a quote. I think they're making a point of it being a terrorist attack.

White people aren't terrorists, rather they are mentally ill individuals who acted alone, cf. Thomas Mair.

by jove, i think andy nailed it

Is it a terrorist attack or a racial hate attack? Is there a difference?
Doesn't matter whatever the fuck you call it though because its still absolutely disgraceful and utterly awful.

Is it a road rage incident?

we should all march on st pauls cathedral and demand their hateful religion stop supporting terrorists

C'mon lufguss, you know better. It was the vehicle who did it.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidance/terrorism-language/guidance-full

Interesting reading their own guidelines on the matter...

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We try to avoid the use of the term "terrorist" without attribution.

Which is what the quote above does. The question would be whether this is how it has been handled in other recent incidents.

There are legal reasons for the language - the guy is alive, in custody, and will face trial. That means the media have to not prejudge guilt. In a worst case, prejudicial coverage could lead to the abandonment of a trial, which would not be good.

Yes, the downplaying of guilt is problematic when it means people internalise disregard for responsibility, as with the language about RTAs. But it's an attempt by the media to respect the courts.

And yes, you can probably find examples in the Daily Mail and the Sun etc of disrespect for the courts, but I'm talking about responsible journalists here.

In any case, the police saying they're dealing with it as a terrorist incident has made it much easier for the media to report it as such, but in quote marks.

Sadiq Khan on R4 this morning did a good job of addressing the "lone wolf" theory already being proposed and suggested that since Lee Rigby, nearly all terrorist attacks have been "lone wolf"/copycats so this one is no different to the last few.

awaits police announcement they have forced entry on his house and arrested all his known associates for questioning, armed raids etc, just like they do with all other terrorist attacks