EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Zoe Williams writes a good piece in the New European about Corbyn's clever strategy calling the 3 line whip for article 50 which then made leavers able to vote for labour. She now thinks he'll ensure as an inital act if he gets to negotiate brexit(assuming May won't last and he'll get a stab at the queens speech) that the UK remain in the single market with free movement of workers. Lots of ifs...

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Poll by Survation for the Daily Mail, ironically

Wonder what the daily mail editorial team made of that. Could they soften as a paper?

Given the way they've turned on May - maybe?

But that's in contradiction to what they said about immigration again...

Labour frustrates me to NO END atm. I know they wanted to get exit voters... but polls suggest most members/voters were remain anyway.

Maybe it's to try to get some Conservative/LibDem voters, but I can't help but wonder if a message of a strong and social UK would have worked even more?

Doesn't the non-Dom owner of Mail Group reside in France?
Would probably require change in the editor of the DM. Cannot see Dacre changing his anti-EU stance, despite the EU subsidies/grants to his Scottish landholding/property/estate.

Maybe, or maybe they are flexible to taking the position that maintains their position as best selling paper. Their readership is dying; is this significant, does Dacre care?

Daily mail to back Corbyn at next election. Calling it now

Labour succeeded in winning more ukipper votes than any of us thought they would.

There are good socialist and populist reasons to leave the eu.

I can't see how their stance could be any different, plus most pro eu parties didn't fare well on the 8th.

Source? I didn't see that in what I read.

Socialist, yes. But they haven't calculated the risk/reward sums properly. EEA/EFTA means you are still bound to most open market rules which socialists don't seem to like, WTO rules risks violence in NI and really tanks the economy.
Populist, absolutely, it's a fact-free zone. So anything goes.

LibDems did gain votes/seats, just not as much as they hoped for. The Greens have no chance with FPTP. But it seems only the Tories cared about Brexit, Labour voters less so... whatever the party decided (see my earlier post) as they though what was on offer for the UK is really attractive.

Anyways, I'm planning to leave. I hope I got it terribly wrong and it all works out for the UK. But I don't see it.

Needs a pie chart to show voting splits.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dup-ira-ireland-northern-the-first-test-in-the-brexit-talks-with-be-how-to-handle-the-irish-border-xdm2bq9r0?shareToken=ccdbcb43f825e0cbf4af33f266e648b4

And a bit more on the NI border

Has this been resolved yet?

I'm sure it'll all be taken care of this afternoon.

I'm sure it'll all be taken care of this afternoon.

Yep - I'm pretty confident that David Davis is the man to sort this mess out.

Indeed. If he's quick he may even manage to get an early train home. That'd be nice for him.

Bish bash bosh - tell them all what they've all got to do, swift half in the Eurostar terminal, back for 'Enders.

Piece of.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-4024836­6

EU nurse applicants drop by 96% since Brexit vote

I know it's an old post, but I'm sure I've read that this stat misleading as the spike and subsequent drop correlates with the introduction of the English language test.

My first reaction is that such a drop is unlikely as English is taught to a high standard. So, I googled it. Cos...well yeah facts gotta fact.

https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/workforce/significant-drop-in-eu-nurse-numbers-for-first-time-in-years/7015097.article

So it seems the drop MAY be linked to the language test, which is uni level English. I guess it's because nursing is now a uni level degree jobs in the UK, so it's only fair. But it's not an uni level job everywhere in the EU.

BUT I can't find hard figures, so how much of this is "hey you make me do a language test AND not pay super much AND your country isn't sure what to do with my rights" is impossible to quantify...

Yeah if it was the test, its likely that the extra step/burden of that test was just the straw that broke the camels back in terms of making it clear that UK isn't really welcoming to forrin nurses

Mail on Sunday was always remain

TBF if it's a Uni level job in the UK, I would expect anyone to be held to Uni level standard. I don't think this is perse aimed at keeping forrin's out (but perhaps the idea of making nursing uni level wasn't well thought out...)

But then the pay also has to be uni level...I mean, if you get paid way more for a uni level nursing job in the EU and you have to put up with all the crap around BrexShit suddenly the UK doesn't look too great :/

Almost a year after the Referendum, David Davis & Michel Barnier are now in official negotiations, but is there any common ground?
The EU has repeatedly stated that the Four Freedoms are inseperable.
The UK response, well the Tory response has been a lot of headline bluster, 'a bad deal is worse than no deal', and sideline demands of 'just walk away' from the Hardbrexit torykippers, (who never had the balls to stand as Ukip candidates).
Were I to be a member of the EU negotiating team, I would conclude that the ToryUK side realise they have a weak negotiating position.
The '£350M per week for the NHS' was abandoned on the morning of the 24th June 2016.
David Davis has admitted that immigration control is unlikely, (partly based upon Theresa Mays' inability to control non-EU immigration during her 5 years as Home Secretary?)
We have been told by George Osborne that no sector of the UK economy can manage without immigrant labour.
dePfeffel has toned down his 'have cake and eat cake' guffawing.
The disgraced Liam Fox is unnaturally quiet, but is now bestmates with Duterte.
Is reality beginning to penetrate the understanding of these three?

They have also u-turned on Bad deal / no deal ...

But apparently there's also something which is a worse-than-no-deal bad-deal. In this deal Europe punishes the UK by imposing some sort of system which is worse than WTO as punishment. I don't think that's legal, however. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's one of the main points of the WTO. But I'm sure Davis knows that.