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• #45677
From the comments:
That's why, when Greenpeace leaked the TTIP documents, they first manually re-typed a copy of the original document that was then released.
The Intercept burnt their source badly through lax security measures IMHO.
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• #45678
Anyone have a good source to read some facts about Qatar and the whole history behind the situation. I've read a bit, but there is quite a lot of opinion, not truth.
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• #45680
Sorry, just read again that you wanted some history, not an overview. I had just read this like 10 minutes ago so immediately posted it, but may not be what you were after.
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• #45681
Yeah not quite what I was after, but thanks, I undestand what's just happened. But I want to know more about the history, the alliances, the groups and who supports whom. It's all quite complex, hidden and small of facts but strong in hearsay.
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• #45683
I'm not sure I can trust Aljezeera on this one, given they're Qatari owned. But that's also present events, I want deep history. So probably post WW1 of the middle eastern block and how relations have evolved.
2nd one looks promising, will read. Thanks.
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• #45684
Yes, I was a little wary of the aljazeera links, but it seemed at least an intro.
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• #45685
The altantic has a good over view. Perhaps I'll look for a book on post WW1 history in that region.
I do use aljazeera for a lot of news, they're good, to get a different take on the west.I guess I'm trying to figure out who the good and bad guys are, but I don't think its so simple as that. It seems a lot of grey. Maybe they're both as bad but in different ways.
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• #45687
T.E. Lawrence [of Arabia] worked with various communities to draft a proposed map for the middle-east which would respect the recognisable regional identities (e.g the Kurds). The British and French governments did https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes–Picot_Agreement, ignoring the work Lawrence had done and the commitments he had made.
http://www.telstudies.org/biography/TEL_and_ME_frontiers.shtml
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Qatar#British_protectorate_.281916.E2.80.931971.29
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• #45688
Qatar reading:
This is a useful overview of the British-led security structure in the Gulf prior to full independence:
https://socialsciences.exeter.ac.uk/iais/downloads/Onley_Britain_and_Gulf_Shaikhdoms2009.pdfAnd here’s an article looking specifically at Qatar’s entry into this system:
http://www.qdl.qa/en/when-maritime-protection-not-enough-britain%E2%80%99s-agreement-protect-qatar%E2%80%99s-borders-sea-and-landArticle about Qatar’s soft power politics (mainly arguing that it’s a misnomer – it’s all about money):
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=20&ved=0ahUKEwisqPqzl6nUAhVpK8AKHYI7B9Q4ChAWCFMwCQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fperiodicos.pucminas.br%2Findex.php%2Fconjuntura%2Farticle%2Fdownload%2FP.1809-6182.2016v13n1p22%2F10251&usg=AFQjCNH7zyEP49Ni2oaS6fei0NcpqOwAAg&cad=rjaIntro chapter to a book about political/economic development of Qatar
https://www.rienner.com/uploads/513fa0a74e57c.pdfArticle about the Al Thanis
http://www18.georgetown.edu/data/people/mk556/publication-43121.pdfArticle about Islamism in Qatar – includes important note about the role of Muslim Brotherhood in building up state/education system in the 50s
http://noref.no/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/ac81941df1be874ccbda35e747218abf.pdfUS-Qatar relations
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• #45689
Thanks all, that'll keep me busy for a while.
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• #45690
An investigation into the foreign funding and support of jihadi groups that was authorised by David Cameron may never be published, the Home Office has admitted.
The inquiry into revenue streams for extremist groups operating in the UK was commissioned by the former prime minister and is thought to focus on Saudi Arabia, which has repeatedly been highlighted by European leaders as a funding source for Islamist jihadis.
The Saudi Arabian pot calling the Qatar kettle black
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/31/sensitive-uk-terror-funding-inquiry-findings-may-never-be-published-saudi-arabia -
• #45691
The Qataris' problem is that they back the wrong extremists. Like the ones who won a democratic election in Egypt. Ugh.
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• #45692
they were country de jour when europe was planning to invade syria, install large gas pipeline from qatar to turkey and ship all that natural gas into europe
now syria has russian support the gas pipeline will never be built, russia controls gas in europe so they'll make sure it doesn'ti guess europes backing for qatar is waning
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• #45693
Who needs a pipeline?
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• #45694
the costs involved in liquidising natural gas is very very high, the pipeline would have made gas in europe much cheaper than it is now with the shipped gas
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• #45695
russia have a large monopoly on europes gas supply which would be tricky for us if political tensions rise
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• #45696
Not quite a monopoly, at least into the UK;
The nature reserves and other green areas, out here in outer west London were damaged a couple of years back, as a new main gas pipeline, from Milford Haven was tunnelled through to Hayes power station.
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• #45697
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• #45698
they were country de jour when europe was planning to invade syria, install large gas pipeline from qatar to turkey and ship all that natural gas into europe
now syria has russian support the gas pipeline will never be built, russia controls gas in europe so they'll make sure it doesn't
i guess europes backing for qatar is waning
I'm sorry, but this is bollocks. The Qataris have been shipping gas to Europe by LNG tanker for years, and there's no economic rationale at all to building an expensive pipeline to replicate this capacity.
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• #45699
Who needs a pipeline?
That's the facility that turns gas into synthetic diesel.
You want Qatargas and Rasgas, which are the companies that cool gas into liquid form for transportation.
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• #45700
What I found odd was that Saudi accused Qatar of funding islamist groups in Syria, including the Al Queda affiliate there, even though Saudi was also supporting the islamist groups in Syria fighting the regime.
They were then also pissed that Qatar was supporting Hamas and by proxy Iran, which was fighting for the regime.
Very confused.
http://blog.erratasec.com/2017/06/how-intercept-outed-reality-winner.html?m=1