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My hiring has already been vindicated.

I raise you...

how do clean that fucker?

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you want to hang jeremy corbyn?

reported.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Babylon

Call that a gun.. etc etc

Yeah, okay, there's more of a network than with your Copeland types, that's fair. But there's not anything like as much sympathy for them or their cause as there was with the IRA. Which I think is a bit of a taboo subject, but Christ - it was completely okay in American culture for a couple of decades to openly profess sympathy for them or even send money. ISIS et al's pool of sympathy is i think proportionally much shallower.

Members of the Manchester bombers own family reported him to the authorities, it's clear that he was seen by almost everyone who knew him as a dangerous nutter who was likely to harm people.

Compare that to the IRA - who appear to have been a) much more efficient at being terrorists, possibly due to not being insane, and also b) therefore much more dangerous and finally c) much less likely to have been nominated by their own family as being dangerous nutters.

But there is sympathy for the cause, especially worldwide. The Manchester bomber went to Libya often, and I bet a lot of the people he conversed with weren't appalled by deaths in the west caused by Muslims.

d) would burn you out of your house if you did report them
(see also the local loyalist paramilitaries) [new page fail, the IRA would]

Secret service intervention / military intervention came with a whole host of problems [innocent civilian deaths/collusion/backing the wrong horse as the UDA etc. weren't exactly nice people either] in the case of trying to stop IRA terrorism... I sometimes wonder if the UK has learnt its lessons from NI.

Compare that to the IRA - who appear to have been a) much more efficient at being terrorists, possibly due to not being insane, and also b) therefore much more dangerous and finally c) much less likely to have been nominated by their own family as being dangerous nutters.

Nowadays every terrorist is labelled as insane, but how is that helpful in understanding the motivation? Was the Manchester bomber insane, but the Enniskillen bomber purely rational?

This is where Corbyn's like of talking and understanding comes into play.

IRA seems like a ridiculous comparison. The IRA was highly organised, tightly-disciplined, ideologically coherent, well-embedded, strategically-minded and had a general policy of not attacking civilian targets*. These are the sort of random rubber-dinghy rapids yahoos that would have got themselves kneecapped by their own side in NI.

*with all the usual caveats about still being murderous bastards, obvs

They've put barriers protecting the footway on Waterloo Bridge overnight. Screw you bike lane.

Yeah, including the cycle lane would have been better.

Maybe a temporary measure.

Clearly, bollards need to be in place on major arterial bridges with pedestrian access now.

Seems a bit knee jerk reaction, to say they're doing something.

What about all the main pedestrian streets? Should they be done too.

I have a feeling quite a few public spaces have bollards in situ already.

Oxford st, regent st. Last time I was there (a while back) none.

Two bridges being at the centre of two attacks in close succession, in lieu of putting them everywhere, seems like an easy way to show "action".

Isn't the idea that you can run into a shop/doorway/side street, but on a bridge you're fucked.

^ This.

I agree.
My point was though, that by protecting bridges, the threat just shifts to elsewhere. You can't protect everywhere from these style of attacks.

Have you seen how busy the main areas of the city are? The idea you could run into shops is flawed. It would be a stampede, sadly like what happened in Turin.

You can't, correct. But you can be seen to be doing something and at least this way a box somewhere is ticked.

Have you seen how busy the main areas of the city are? The idea you could run into shops is flawed. It would be a stampede, sadly like what happened in Turin.

But there's also street signs, lampposts etc. That bridge above would give a straight run.