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One for @greenhell

The Mail desecrates the holy places where it likes to stake its claim,
and would be a laughable rag, really, were it not for our degraded
political culture taking it seriously. Look at the paper itself and
you see it is not the real voice of England, but a dark distortion of
it, a post-truth version that shouts about decency but doesn’t exhibit
any, that praises aspiration but only certain sorts. Every day in
Dacre’s paper, the people who make up the population of Britain, the
people who teach your children and bandage your wounds, drive your
trains or clean your floors, are described as aliens and forgers and
scum. The Mail fought for justice for one black man, and long may the
editor plume on it: the paper he presides over is in no hurry to gain
justice for any others.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n11/andrew-ohagan/whos-the-real-cunt

^ there was a good piece about Dacre in a Private Eye recently that described how he doesn't live in the world he claims to know so well. When he got the editorial job decades ago he went back to visit the leafy suburb he grew up in in the 50's and that is where his head has been stuck since, a weird, half remembered, half imagined picture of middle England from the 50's.

... the story...

I don't accept that death knocks is part of 'the story'.
Yes, I definitely feel confused and scared about the current spate of terrorist incidents in Europe, and yes I would love to read more in depth analysis to help me understand what is going on.
What I don't believe is that my confusion is caused by a lack of intrusive reporting on the grief felt by ordinary people who lost loved ones in the Paris/Nice/Berlin/Stockholm incidents.

Send child to fundamentalist religious school, be surprised when school leaders act like fundamentalists.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40045802

But we must know definitively how many people died.
/s
Its clearly not enough to say in an initial report that a number of people are dead, and wait for the police to release official stats

On the specific point of death knocks, I don't believe that the majority of the public think that sympathetic, well-handled ones should be banned.

That's the point though. In my mind there is no concept of a "sympathetic, well-handled" death knock. Just leave them the fuck alone. What journalists think are "sympathetic, well-handled" death knocks are probably far from the truth.

Going back to a previous post:-

I'd say it's pretty balanced and sensible. And I'd say he's right: if you were bereaved, and a journalist took a load of untrue stuff off social media about your loved one without asking you, wouldn't you be pissed off that they hadn't spoken to you first?

It's this that pisses me off about modern day journalism. It's the justification for death knocks (or similar) because without them they could print stuff they've found online without running it past you first.

I can print a load of shit about you because, even though I haven't bothered to really check whether it is true before possibly printing it, I'm transferring the responsibility onto you for not being there to be able to correct me. Fuck that and, with all due respect, fuck you (well, me in this case).

How about not printing the unverified stuff in the first place! How simple is that?

Death knocks aren't some terrible, out-there journalistic practice. That was my main point.

Death knocks as a journalistic practice are an abhorrence to many. That's the point of many people in this thread.

http://researchonline.ljmu.ac.uk/3288/1/The%20knock%20at%20the%20door.docx

https://pure.strath.ac.uk/portal/files/11596897/Hacking_into_Tragedy_exploring_the_ethics_of_death_reporting_in_the_social_media_age_Strathprints_version_1_.pdf

https://dartcenter.org/blog/2017/05/manchester-attack-resources-coverage

researchonline.ljmu.ac.uk/3288/1/­The%20knock%20at%20the%20door.docx

Can you post some of the content or provide a link to a non document version?

I don't click on random .docx links but I'd like to read what you're linking to...

The knock at the door: Considering bereaved families’ varying
responses to news media intrusion.

Jackie Newton, Liverpool John Moores University

Relationships between the news media and the
“news-worthy” bereaved have long been problematic, with the attention
of scholars and journalists alike concentrating on the issues of
intrusion and harassment during grief. This study begins to consider
the “death knock” and continued media approaches from the position of
the families themselves and finds that although there is undoubtedly
evidence of anger at intrusion, there is a demonstrable willingness to
engage with the media from the majority of interviewees. It also finds
evidence that some families have felt excluded by the news media from
the stories of their relatives’ deaths

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• Knock at the door.pdf

Everest climbers worried about oxygen theft

I can only presume the number one suspect is Katie Hopkins.

It's double unfair, she didn't end the pregnancy which is moral in those type's books, still can't attend and there's no way to prove if boys were "immoral" by having sex :/

plymouth

I think you have your answer already

Send child to fundamentalist religious school, be surprised when school leaders act like fundamentalists.

bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canad­a-40045802

Isn't the bulk of the criticism due to the lack of Christian compassion? Love thy neighbour, all sinners, let he without sin, etc.

If it was a secular school that had an equivalent rule or just thought that a pregnant girl would be bad for the brand image, then it would be a dick move. But it wouldn't be so hypocritical.

It says the father hasn't been named. Probably 50/50 on it being one of the teachers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40057165

freedom of speech bores in 3... 2...

What's the possible argument? We don't have freedom of 'not being sacked for being a bellend'.

https://twitter.com/marley68xx/status/868044761994846209

pow!

Katie Hopkins

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I don't know but it will probably include 'Liberal Broadcasting Cucks', 'Labour Biased Cabal', 'Lefty Bastard Cronyism' etc etc

http://www.ambalafoods.com/Sweets/Jalebi.html?osCsid=vdmbldbsa57c4dp5h3othe14j2

They even do mail order... dangerous ground...

Hah!

lols at finding someone supporting the use of holocaust references with a magan david on their homepage.

Also my word is she obsessed with Muslims and the left.

Maybe I'm being a smug liberal, but reading her feed makes me feel genuinely happy about my life and the lack of bile... and I worry that I can be a bit too cynical.

the sole purpose of some people's existence is merely to serve as a warning to others.

I forgot 'Let's Blame Corbyn'.

The Sun/Mail's Sunday headlines:

"Jeremy Corbyn Eats Houmous on the Sabbath and Sympathises with ISIS!"