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What a load of bollocks. I am not advocating fox hunting. I don't like it, but I don't agree with Londoners dictating how people live their lives, which is essentially what you are doing here.
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I've never lived in London but I agree with Chalfie.
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No I'm not. Im pointing out that the vast majority of people have moved on from hunting things as a control measure. And that the whole thing is based on protection of an asset owned by a ruling class and the ceremonial wrapping of the protection enforces and maintains the heirarchy of the system.
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I don't know if you've noticed but we're having our lives irrevocably dictated to by people outside of London right now.
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So you have a problem with being told what to do, even though you agree with what you're being told.
Just because it's people in London telling you.
This sentiment is the basis of the Leave vote and of Trump's victory - taking back control from horrid, faceless people who live somewhere else.
It's the saddest, most emotionally exhausting kind of unconsidered prejudice I can think of. Can you try to take a step back and think in through, please?
On the fox hunting thing:
It's not 'people in London' who object to fox hunting, it's the overwhelming majority of the country, including the countryside.
The defense that foxes need killing so they don't kill livestock is an economic one, nothing else, and it's a reasonable one in a society that farms animals. But you can trap or shoot foxes very easily. All your neighbours want is to continue their hobby.
Their hobby absolutely is in the same league as dog and cock fighting. It's just the more upmarket version. The fact that dog and cock fighting were banned ages ago but fox hunting wasn't is indicative of how this country puts the interests of the rich above the interests of the poor.
Take away your incorrect prejudices about who made the rule and it's pretty indefensible as a hobby. I like racing cars, but that too is indefensible from an environmental point of view. The motor racing industry is moving to more efficient engines and electric motors, with a little bit of whinging but with the self awareness and understanding to do it voluntarily before it's forced on them and to restructure what they do to save the industry. Fox hunters wouldn't compromise so the ban was forced on them. If they'd given a little and tried to understand they were in the minority in their view things might be different.
You can't let people decide their own moral standards, it has to be the majority view that rules.
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Foxes aren't vermin. Foxes are taking advantage of an unnatural thing. The concentration of herbivorous animals (prey) by another animal for profit or gain. There's no point trying to sell it as "the fox is eating the poor little lambikins it must be hunted and controlled" when poor little lambikins is going to have its life lived solely to make profit or provide nutrition or materials for humans. It's especially galling when control measures for the vermin are equally grimmers. And the people doing it have history on their side as the "owners" of land and get to gad about on their fucking horses clarting up the land and basically reminding those around the "natural heirarchy" of the area. I.e. On a horse, fucking rich, ride where we want, tradition.
Its not a London centric thing that people are disagreeing with you. I don't think it's "people on here don't like rich or posh people", people on here generally don't like people who they don't know but who appear to act like cunts. Killing an animal by using dogs and horses seems pretty cunty.