General Election June 2017

If your "way of life" includes dressing up like a cunt, fannying about on a horse and siccing a pack of dogs on a terrified creature with the express purpose of ripping it to bits, it's not a way of life worth preserving.

Greenhell has offered you some advice.

Strangely laws seem to emanate from conurbations/centres of power, but it could be our soon to be elected all-kipped-up Tory party will revert to feudalism, then you can lobby your local Lord to bring back all the forms of animal torture/baiting.

So, the Tolpuddle Martyrs did die on vain.

80% Plaid Cymru
78% Liberal Democrat
77% SNP
74% Labour
74% Greens
65% Sinn Fein
37% UKIP
36% BNP
35% Conservative
31% Democratic Unionist

Good to know I am more BNP and Ukipper than Tory. but interestingly, I thought I was more Green and secondary would likely be Labour. I guess I just dont really know the parties that well.

Happily people as narrow minded as you are not the majority in cities, but as you are more vocal, it sometimes seems like you are. You take one issue you object to, and thereby judge millions of people you have never met. It entrenches division, it supports the idea that "the left" are elitists who live in cities, and it helps Corbyn to lose voters.

My original point was that hunting in general is a nuanced issue, not that I want to bring back fox hunting.

Am assuming you are joking. Fox Hunting is a way of life down here, is not all toffs. There are hundreds of people from all backgrounds.

It doesn't stop it from being a nasty pastime - killing animals for entertainment doesn't become ok because it's done by the common-folk/they all do it.

Happily people as narrow minded as you are not the majority in cities, but as you are more vocal, it sometimes seems like you are. You take one issue you object to, and thereby judge millions of people you have never met. It entrenches division, it supports the idea that "the left" are elitists who live in cities, and it helps Corbyn to lose voters.

Problem with what you are saying is that he's not wrong. Would you be happier if Corbyn rode to hounds in Islington (plenty of foxes) in defiance of the ban?

Or should he stick to his principles about a subject where he is correct?

Or can you make a compelling case that killing animals for fun be considered a positive thing to do?

My original point was that hunting in general is a nuanced issue, not that I want to bring back fox hunting.

The issues I object to are people with no prospect of ever paying higher rate income tax voting for the Tories, and people living in areas that are dependent upon EU funds voting Leave.
The 'nuance' is not appreciated by the target recipients of the projectiles.

killing animals for entertainment doesn't become ok because it's done by the common-folk/they all do it.

No-one said that either. The point was it's wrong to make this purely a class issue, or a stick to beat 'toffs' with, or a 'people from the countryside' issue.

Is there a hunting thread on here?

The issues I object to are people with no prospect of ever paying higher rate income tax voting for the Tories, and people living in areas that are dependent upon EU funds voting Leave.

With you on these points. Maybe we should drop the dead donkey on the hunting thing. Never goes anywhere.

Again, agree 100%. Which is why they now do drag hunts with quad bikes. I don't agree wth it, I tolerate it, as is part of the deal down here, and as I live on a hunting estate with a working farm, I understand it more now.

During lambing season, if a Ewe is cast or can't move properly, an adult fox will try to eat it alive, literally start eating its hind quarters. The Ewe then gets crippling infections and has to be destroyed. Its lambs are then orphaned, and are put in the paddock next to our garden. I take the children out to help milk the orphan lambs. Then when the sun goes down the foxes come back and try to eat the orphans, alive.

^ this does not excuse fox hunting, but is an example of how it is down here.

Also what I found strange is that I can be an animal lover (am a big softie) but absolutely despise foxes. I hope this gives you some context next time you think fox hunting is for posh cunts.

I would be happier if Corbyn got on the right page and came over to the centre left a bit. Make some concessions and give the Tories a proper fucking ballgame.

over to the centre left a bit

You mean sacrifice his principles and pander to the racists and animal slaughterers and basically become worse than the Nazis?

So UKIP have lost 63 of 63 seats so far. Could they really lose all there council seats? Not one of them has done a good enough job for locals to think they are worth a punt on again? Lives up to my stereotype.

how it is down here.

I think that's called nature. Tends to come with the whole living in the countryside thing.

such drama

Fox numbers are artificially inflated by the millions of pheasants released into the countryside every summer, solely to satisfy the rich cunts who shoot them.

Again, agree 100%. Which is why they now do drag hunts with quad bikes. I don't agree wth it, I tolerate it, as is part of the deal down here, and as I live on a hunting estate with a working farm, I understand it more now.

During lambing season, if a Ewe is cast or can't move properly, an adult fox will try to eat it alive, literally start eating its hind quarters. The Ewe then gets crippling infections and has to be destroyed. Its lambs are then orphaned, and are put in the paddock next to our garden. I take the children out to help milk the orphan lambs. Then when the sun goes down the foxes come back and try to eat the orphans, alive.

^ this does not excuse fox hunting, but is an example of how it is down here.

Also what I found strange is that I can be an animal lover (am a big softie) but absolutely despise foxes. I hope this gives you some context next time you think fox hunting is for posh cunts.

I grew up in the country, my grandfather was (for a period) a sheep farmer, my grandmother used to rescue battery chickens and keep them in a separate field - I'm aware that foxes are not mobile stuffed toys. My grandad used to shoot them through the (open) dining room window when they came into the garden.

There is what is necessary and there's entertainment, hunting with hounds is the latter, in my view (and that of my grandparents).

Or can you make a compelling case that killing animals for fun be considered a positive thing to do?

If there is a need to kill an animal (a negative) - say to protect other livestock - then surely the utilitarian argument is that you may as well have fun while doing it.

Unless your taking the pain felt by the thing being killed into consideration.

Only one fox though.

My understanding is you have a load of dogs, the village, and a bunch of indignant tweedwearing mail readers gaining enjoyment.

It's pretty much the same as the social contract of reality TV.

Re fox hunting. It is still perfectly legal to shoot or otherwise humanely kill a fox. You're just not allowed to tear them apart with a pack of dogs. Seems fairly reasonable to me.

Yep. Sometimes you gotta take one for the team