General Election June 2017

Do you not see the relationship to my question and you're previous statement? Now I realise it's not the most eloquent argument, and I was going to go with 'beat their kids', but i thought that was ridiculous so I picked a form of animal cruelty that is not seen as acceptably to most British residents as a comparison. There are parallels.

And there has been some fucking thick things said on this forum.

I'm not London-centric, I grew up in the countryside.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/05/05/ukip-aren-t-dead-they-re-in-charge

I'm not against other forms of hunting either, I just don't think fox hunting is very nice.

So did I. Fox hunting is for cunts. No doubt it'll be part of a future Brexited Britain though.

Ukip is dead. But in reality it is more powerful than ever. It has transcended its physical body and its soul has entered the Conservative party.

Fuck me, it's evolved into a higher conscious super-being.

Or at the current rate just England and Wales?

on fox hunting...

I'm from Devon, spent ten years in London and moved back to Devon a year ago.

I am anti-hunt.

Down here though I am in the minority, it isn't about people wanting to hunt per se, but the feel like it is the city ruling on the 'way of life', and if they start with hunting what is next, shooting or other 'pursuits'.

Down here though I am in the minority, it isn't about people wanting to hunt per se, but the feel like it is the city ruling on the 'way of life', and if they start with hunting what is next, shooting or other 'pursuits'.

I understand this 'slippery slope' POV that you aren't in control of you're way of life, but still anti hunt.

I'm not against other forms of hunting either, I just don't think fox hunting is very nice.

Yes, hunting takes many forms, some of them practical / ecological, some of them for fun, some of them for both reasons. What I meant was I have been shouted down before as there are many with a very black and white view of these issues. I think that correlates with being in a large city.

I don't doubt your experiences, but based on polls, a majority in rural areas also seem to support the ban (as of 2015): https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/01/09/british-people-still-support-fox-hunting-ban

Noted. As I said, am not for hunting, was a simple example.

Fair enough. Foxes are vermin down here, I live on a farm and you should see what the foxes do to the livestock down here. Is really horrific. I don't think you can compare dog fighting with fox hunting, was IMO just a really unnecessary analogy.

It is horrific when animals act in just the way nature intended.

I hope they don't kill the livestock, what sort of animal would do that?

If they are vermin, then sure, control them. But do it in a safe and humane manner.

I'm not sure that pest control can somehow justify the torture of animals, which I think was the point that dst was getting at w/r/t dog fighting

Was there the same groundswell of opinion when city dwellers / lawyers suggested we end incest?

'Hunting ..... for fun'?
The recipients of the projectiles are fully signed up to this element of 'fun' are they?

Exactly. I don't go hunting but most people I know down here do. I think it is unnecessary but the community lives and breathes it. Is nice to see the community together. I tend to go off on a bike ride when the hunt is on.

Agreed. As I said I understand it but am not pro hunting.

Well the minimum per hour figure sets a base level but unless this is set for each business and level within it, it can still lead to a situation where the wages and benefits are eroded for a particular job.

There is already a minimum wage but that allows a £12/hour job to become a £7.50/hour job. If you're coming from a country where the economy is in worse shape than ours then that's a decent deal, if you're used to being paid £12/hour then it's not.

The argument of course is that the market dictates what wages can be paid but pushing wages lower and lower because the market has a surplus of imported workers who are willing to accept a lower paid job doesn't seem an ideal scenario.

You could always fuck off in that case.

Was there the same groundswell of opinion when city dwellers / lawyers suggested we end incest?

Incest, as another example of something people do in the countryside? This really sums up my previous point about a london centric view.

Was there the same groundswell of opinion when city dwellers / lawyers suggested we end incest?

Who knows, thankfully before my time. I'm just saying what I see, not saying it is right or wrong, but helps to explain why some of the poorest counties vote for the tories, even though it is turkeys voting for christmas.

I don't doubt your experiences, but based on polls, a majority in rural areas also seem to support the ban (as of 2015): yougov.co.uk/news/2015/01/09/bri­tish-people-still-support-fox-hunting-ba­n

ah yes but proper rural folk don't respond to surverys, we don't have internet or phones (they are black magic)...

With no stats to back it up, and can't bothered to look it up, I suspect there is lots of differences around the country. Astounds me either way that Hugo Swire (Could there be a more Tory name than Hugo) gets about half the vote around here, just mental.