General Election June 2017

I know quite a few local socialists...they are not racist and hate what is happening ATM.

They think the EU is racist for letting refugees down/not doing enough to save them.

But, as Greenhell would point out in more colourful language, they didn't mind being associated with racists either.

Perhaps I am too cynical/more calculating, I looked at who was going to execute Brexit, the gutter papers and official Leave, saw it was the Tories and though "yeah, that's going to end well eh?"

It would be nice though if more Brexiters would come out and say "hey, not in my name!" but such is life: The socialist probably think I'm too soft on capitalism. I think they are naive if they think leaving the EU will lead to a revolution.

Ultimately we may still have common goals, it's just become bloody hard to talk to each other with the frenzy being whipped up by the media. And it's hard to stay calm for many Remainers too.

But sure, we are just monkeys in suits sometimes...

I'm yet to hear anyone give a single reason how being in the EU affected their lives for the worse.

"Under an EU regulation that took effect in 2014, vacuum cleaners with the most powerful motors (1,600 watts and above) are banned. The European Commission says the ban will save energy and encourage more efficient devices. Which?, a consumer group, says it prohibits some of the best machines currently being made. Sir James Dyson, the British industrialist, says the efficiency rules were skewed to favour German vacuums over his products."

^ I became largely disenfranchised with the EU when my (english) cleaner was seeming to do a pretty poor job of the hoovering. When I approached her, I realised that the vacuum cleaner I bought, was underpowered. I want a the most powerful fucking vacuum cleaner. I voted leave as I don't want the germans controlling the dust levels in my carpet.

The obvious one is that EU workers are taking over jobs as they're willing to suffer worse pay/conditions and that is what has gained a lot of support for Leave.

Obviously the argument is that this isn't really an immigration issue, it's a government issue with minimum wage rules, etc. That is a bit of a race to the bottom though if the only protection is the minimum wage. You can see why a business will want to replace its unionised workers who are earning £15 an hour with immigrant labour who aren't part of the union and earns minimum wage.

It isn't really clear how this can be legislated against and maintain freedom of movement.