General Election June 2017

Not when he did stuff like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlTggc0uBA8

I forgot about that. Well reminded.

That and Murdoch hate machine going full steam.

Diane abbot should have been fired at lunchtime.
You can't be a person of such importance and make such elemental fuckups. It's not a junior school debate team.

I despair. I'm a natural labour voter, and I live in Camden Town, so it's a rock solid labour seat for Keir Starmer. I just cant bring myself to vote for this shower of cunts, who make Rik from The Young Ones look sensible and moderate.
I have to vote. People have died for the right to vote. But, honestly, what do I do? Whoever I vote for, I will have a labour MP here.
I wish Jack Monroe was standing here. I'd vote for her/him/them in a heartbeat.

Get over yourself and vote labour or whoever can best keep these Tory cunts at bay. There's people that want disabled people​ to fucking die at the gates.

David Davis, on BBC R4 Today, seemingly on a (Tate & Lyle) sugar-high.

I think his laughing is a coping method, as the impossibility of the Tory brexit,
(We're going to eat all the EU cake), is repeatedly pointed out to him.

Yes, forget about traditional party politics. It's a case of either do you want the Conservatives (or UKIP), or just someone else. If someone else, then vote for whichever party is most likely win.

A lot of people (on Twitter and suchlike) are arguing that he did, but the biase so called meejah didn't cover it. I suspect there is some truth to this - e.g. compare May eating chips with the bacon sandwich incident, sure it was covered but it didn't make the front pages (except maybe the Mirror, I've not checked). But also suspect he's a lot more relaxed now and has nothing to lose except his seat so he's letting the real Ed shine through more.

He's also not currently surrounded by controlling wonky spin doctor types - it could be that the real Ed was there all along but they didn't let us see him.

This thread is full of insight (I think).

https://twitter.com/hoodedman1187/status/858422995689275392

It certainly characterises my parents' views (and life).

I find that interesting, just happened to read it. I presume we both follow David Green.

I spoke with my mum the other day (die hard conservative). She lives in France and is a proud to be part of the EU. She hates TM and thinks she's the devils spawn, along with a lot of other conservative MPs, and won't vote for TM. But she can't vote labour and isn't keen on LD because of the mess they made before.

There is a whole pool of people like her out there, feeling lost with who to vote for. I think it'd be prime time for an indipentant or a new party, but there isn't time for such things.

Which means it's one Tory party Vs many others... Unless fptp gets dumped for stv that'll only make their job easier.

But yes I see this a lot on threads I'm on too. Labour, meh, Greens have no chance, I'd vote strategical if I could (oh hai EU national) but it's not for everyone.

And if Labour Party members can't even get facts right on a radio interview. How are they going to manage brexit? A leap, admittadly, however that what the general public will now think, and rightly so. If this were a business, DA would have been fired by lunchtime for messing up a contract with such poor knowledge and performance. Not sure why JC stood by her, perhaps because she's been loyal, but it has probebrbly put the last hole needed for the ship to sink in the hull.

Yes, that's a good thread. It's pretty much how my parents see the world too.

I presume we both follow David Green.

Who doesn't?

Those who live in a parallel universe, that I didn't realise existed.

And if Labour Party members can't even get facts right on a radio interview. How are they going to manage brexit?

But look at the media bias, Abbott makes a mistake, it's headline news all day. The Tories lock journalists in Cornwall in a room whilst Theresa May toured a factory to prevent them from filming her visit, yet that barely makes the news.

Apparently, the "phone calls" from CCHQ to the BBC ramped up last week. Probably a bit more subtle this time compared to the highly public warmongering conducted by Cameron and Osborne at the last election.

On a more positive note, I liked how Marr started his interview May on Sunday by (effectively) warning her off about the sloganeering, and, as a result, she barely said "strong and stable". By contrast, it sounded like every other phrase when she spoke to Peston.

If DA hadn't made such a catastrophic mess, it wouldn't have made the news. Bias or not, (and there is), she messed up big time, no wonder it made the news.

^^Amaeze

A good NY Times article on the UK tabloids. Long but worth a read.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/02/world/europe/london-tabloids-brexit.html

(Includes the line from Kelvin McKenzie about Corbyn being 'knifed')

It's a lesser of evils. Do you want to vote for a party who usually means well but sometimes hasn't thought through the finder details, or a party that has already effectively murdered at least 30,000 by removing their benefits and support.

But look at the media bias, Abbott makes a mistake, it's headline news all day. The Tories lock journalists in Cornwall in a room whilst Theresa May toured a factory to prevent them from filming her visit, yet that barely makes the news.

Even HIGNFY was terrible last week. The Anti-Labour/ Corbyn stuff (with barely a mention of the Tories) got so bad that even Ian Hislop called the programme out on it.

Hard to see what the other parties can do when the media is mostly so pro-Tory.

'won't', 'cant',
fptp means you vote for the candidate most likely to beat the Tory.