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Guys in the mechanical workshop hate May but won't vote Corbyn over nuclear ffs.
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Corbyn / Labour supporting Trident is a total wtf to me.
Unfortunately no party is perfect. It's always compromise. Would they vote Greens or lib Dems?
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• #379
This is a pretty good advice column
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• #380
Lulz.
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• #381
bravo
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• #383
Progressive Alliance / Compass seems to be making some progress in Brighton. It will be interesting to see if Labour stand down their candidate.
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Seen a few people talking about their own personal projects/websites so thought I'd mention something I want to start. Basically I noticed that if you scroll through news websites, other media, political party social medias etc etc any form of information re: politics anyone with half a whit will notice that while labour do often talk about specific party policies and actions they would take, the tories literally do not lay out what they will do if reelected. Even on their website they don't have anything clear, only a really vague long term plan that doesn't give any figures or facts to support anything they say and you can tell half of its bullshit anyway. Basically literally 95% of news/media relating to the conservatives is just them name calling and finger pointing with the other 5% being the robotic repetition of "strong and stable". So I thought well if you got rid of all that almost reality tv bullshit of just slagging each other off and just clearly laid out what the effects and results of each party would be then people would surely be able to decide who they want to vote for much easier.
tl;dr - decided to start a fb page (so far unpublished) that will only share fact checked, unbiased and true articles about genuine policies and actions parties will take. So basically give a platform where there is none of the almost reality tv bullshit of politics involved.
Would like to eventually set up a website with regular articles written by me and others but I don't have the funds/knowdledge of how without funds to set up a decent looking site where I can write articles.Thought may be of interest to you and if anyone wants in or can somehow help me out with any ideas let me knowwww!
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• #386
Who's going to fact check?
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• #387
I think that will be the sort of thing that will be a lot easier/prevalent next week, when the manifestos are published. At the moment there's waffle and bluster and "you'll have to wait and see" from every side.
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Well essentially at the moment it's all just an idea but the intention is that by just using genuinely credible sources half the work is already done and then I would do the rest the best I could. Suppose that's why I mentioned it here though any advice welcome!
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Good initiative.
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• #392
^^ Didn't realise Richard Bacon's career had gone so far downhill.
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• #393
One assumes that the comments from Jean-Claude Junker, that Theresa May is deluded, and her dinner with him and Merkel went badly, will paint her as a bad negotiator, and hard brexit as a bad idea, and thus benefit the progressive vote. But the voters we need to win from the tories hate Junker, hate Merkel, and will vote to spite them. The campaign from Farron and Corbyn needs a more intelligent angle than this. I'm worried.
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• #394
Junker is signalling that currently there is no common ground between the EU's 'the 4 Freedoms are indivisible' and the May/Davis/Johnson/Fox 'we'll eat your cake' delusion.
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The FAZ article wasn't written for a UK audience, although we're all banging on about it as if it were - yet another example of our assumption that we're the centre of the world.
It was written for a German audience. It's explaining to Germans why it won't be Juncker's fault if the process endangers badly - it'll be the fault of those arrogant, unprepared Brits.
The fact they're already feeling the need to spin this way suggests to me that they're deeply pessimistic the Art 50 process will end well.
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• #396
The BBC have made it the biggest story of the day, headline on every news bulletin. My feeling is that the majority of leave voters won't think "I better vote for someone who gets on well with Junker and Merkel" but will think "fuck Junker and Merkel good on you theresa".
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Do we think that May will use the result of WW2 in the official negotiations?
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• #398
Well, the FAZ story mainly says May et al were appallingly briefed and out of their depth, but I haven't seen what the TV news or the tabs have made of it yet.
But a lot of the commentary I have seen so far talks about it as if we were the audience, not the Germans. I think that's wrong, and misleading. But sure, if it's presented as you describe then it's not going to engender any warm feeling.
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The Telegraph's take on Junckergate - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/01/revealed-eu-has-secretly-plotting-block-theresa-may-eu-migrants/
The perils of election press photo opportunities
https://twitter.com/theobertram/timelines/857892496239734784