EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

I'm notoriously shy in person, very low risk of unanticipated friend making.

Then go for it.

It's only about 40km from Lloret de Mar where there loads of English pubs and strip clubs.

I once got so drunk in Lloret de Mar I lost all my clothes except my boxers.

We've all been there...

L'Escala on the other hand is just beautiful.

Le Pen heads the far-right National Front party, which in the past was known largely for its xenophobia, anti-Semitism, and what’s called “soft-core” Holocaust denialism. Le Pen has tried hard to reform the party’s image, instead presenting a modern populist vision of France that is avowedly anti-globalization, anti-EU, and anti-immigrant.

If I have to boycott US and French products I will, but what about EDF, I can't do without electricity, really dont want to spend more money on utilities..

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/french-demand-for-electricity-drives-up-uk-prices-pv7qs7770

Daily Mail nailing it's colours to the mast.

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The French are sensible enough to have a two-stage election; those who want to have a protest vote can do that in the 1st round. Just like her father in 2002, the execrable le Pen will be trounced in the 2nd round.

I really, sincerely hope so- else the world is fucked more savagely than the current mess.

I can't see Le Pen getting more than 25% of the vote in the second round as you'd expect the rest of the country to rally around Macron and make sure that fascist hag stays out of the Elysee.

The daily hail complaining about the political establishment while their bosses are probably arse-deep into it...The UK has never manufactured irony meters, has it? ;)

The other parties said they are happy with Macron so hopefully he gets lots of transfers next round and then riddance to xenophobic "traditional values" troll.

hag

Casual sexism alive and well

The Daily Mail is still on its brexit high.
le Pen is a 'career' politician, with her party under investigation for using EU funds for local/National campaigns.
Macron was Hollande's Finance Minister for a couple of years.
The forthcoming French Parliamentary elections will be a better test of any, (read 'little'), mould breaking.

It's fair game when the person in question is a fascist.

Not really. Calling her a fascist should alone be enough.

Careful now... I called May a fascist once in here and ended up in a whole thread on what fascism is/is not ;)

I don't even know if Le Pen is particularly authoritarian, or somebody who respects French democratic ideals but has rather unpleasant ideas. No doubt they hang out with "nice parties" in the EU...

When it comes to a genuine hate monger like Le Pen than fascist alone is not enough, I could use other concise phrases but the language used would be far more offensive than the word hag.

Much less risk calling Le Pen, who heads a party founded on antisemitism and authoritarianism, just one that is getting better at branding and playing the game, a fascist.

Or a Grade A cunt.

I quite like Moin-que-rien (less than nothing) for her, nothing like French contempt :)

Casual sexism

Not wanting to kick off a debate, but is hag sexist because it's a negative word that only applies to women (ie has no male equivalent)? Or because it's current use tends to be used in relation to a female's appearance?

A colleague once described someone with the phrase tête à claques - roughly; face I'd like to slap/so annoying they should be slapped.

Not sure it applies here. Le Pen just worries me. She comes across as far less odious than couple of her/her father's supporters I've met.

Casual sexism alive and well

Why the left is fucked - too busy shouting at itself to properly focus its ire at the enemy.

Not condoning casual sexism - just that the left, myself probably included, gets so bogged down in trying to do the right thing that it loses an awful lot of the centre ground to people who get bored of being told what to say and think all the time.
See also - veganism, 'wellness' etc

Haha true forgot about that, very good one too.

Yeah she's been cleaning up her act, polishing a turd and rolling it in glitter as far as I'm concerned. But you know... "traditional values" "scary immigrants" and perhaps more substances like a rural/town divide.

Ultimately, it's still mostly about income (aka class) and actions, as far as I'm concerned.

But if people want to vote Tory over a few telling-offs that are sometimes OTT, then that's also on their head.

There's a lack of "grow the fuck up" across the board.