General Election June 2017

Raising the national allowance is cutting tax, which the tory's would do anyway and have done again since. How did the lib dems reduce the deficit? Or do you mean helped with 'austerity'? Pushing renewable agenda - maybe, but only because they were left in charge of the environmental agency. It's small fry compared to their agreeing to triple tuition fees just weeks after going round as many student unions and promising to scrap fees.

The LibDems had a once in a lifetime opportunity to consign the first past the post electoral system to the history books. Sadly, such was their excitement about being in government, they wasted that opportunity by allowing the Tories to let them have a fucking referendum on it.

Never forget what the Liberals did to Rinka.

My point is people cherry pick the policies they reneged on (and then rationalise away the ones they didn't).

Their manifesto said lots of things, and I think the years since the coalition demonstrate what a moderating influence they really were.

But sadly they allowed Cameron to get back in and do what he and May have done.

And never forget Rinka

100% agree. They were totally politically out maneuvered.

But few make that point. Most bang on about tuition fees.

My point is people cherry pick the policies they reneged on (and then rationalise away the ones they didn't).

Yes but some are much more influential at getting people to vote for you and some are highlighted more than others during the campaign.

To be clear: I am not urging tactical voting or some anti Tory alliance; I am urging that, as part of this election campaign, we create the capacity for the people to know exactly what the choices are; and elect as many MPs as possible with an open mind on this issue who are prepared to vote according to the quality of the deal and the interests of the British people.

Ummm. Huh? Thanks, Tony.

I think he's been taking 'clarity' lessons from May.

A comment guesses it's 'leadership pitch', which I buy.

Actually, that's what he's said he said: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tory-mp-david-mundell-tells-twitter-lip-readers-i-didnt-swear-at-female-rival-in-commons-a3518316.html

Whatever happened to british political satire.

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Can you quote something from them on that?
I've not seen anything to that sentiment.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/19/gina-miller-best-for-britain-tactical-voting-against-hard-brexit

Go Gina! :)

Mate at the pub had an interesting theory: May wants a bigger majority so she is less under the thumb of the hard-brexiteers and can actually go for a softer boiled brexit.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/labours-keir-starmer-article-50-brexit-deal-six-tests-wto-2017-3

Your mate is giving her too much credit.

She wants a stronger majority so she's less under the thumb, full stop. She knows perfectly well that she'll get the Brexit she's given and that it's her job to sell the outcome as being a good deal.

Mate at the pub had an interesting theory: May wants a bigger majority so she is less under the thumb of the hard-brexiteers and can actually go for a softer boiled brexit.

They're not alone, it's the reason the pound is tipped to continue gains - http://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-sterling-election-idUSKBN17K1KS

Okay.
I look forward to hearing more from the horses mouth in the coming weeks.
He's some work to do.

What's the use in a vote for MP's, when they all just do as they're told anyway.
I can't see the point in putting it to a vote. It's not a democracy in the House of Commons.

Not all did as told, some rebelled.

I think the strategy is to put brexit and especially hard brexit skeptical in power to prevent the almighty clusterfuck we have now with May's hard brexit and prevent another power grab.

Ideally yes more MPs had shown courage, and the whole thing was thrown out right away, but i rather do what I can now than wonder later if i should have at least tried :)

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-rules-out-progressive-alliance-with-snp-greens-and-liberal-democrats-nec_uk_58f77c2be4b0de5bac42b5fd?ir=UK+Politics&utm_hp_ref=uk-politics

OK basically due to SNP taking votes from Scottish Labour (they really fucked themselves up there) and a smarting poster campaign, no alliance.

But what about the Greens then which are close to Labour on social issues... ah well.

We still have no government in NI, so that's absolutely great too.

One thing that seems certain is that Labour will be SLAUGHTERED by the Crosby machine.

If you think Ed Milliband got a battering then imagine what they will do with Jezza.

Also, it feels like there is a sad inevitability that Corbyn will be buoyed by not losing as badly as had been feared, but that will almost certainly be a result of people choosing Labour as a tactical
vote to keep the Tories out rather than genuinely believing in the current Labour party.

from the internet:

"Corbyn means well but he's a bit shit, that's why I'm going to vote for some rich cunts who want me to die"