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My point is I wasn't super cold, not cold enough to stop and fiddle around with getting jacket out, I was already wet from the rain, etc. Once I put the rain jacket on I got warmer but I don't want to wear the rain jacket all the time, which was why I was thinking about a gilet alternative - a windstopper or winterish jersey to go over a superlight jersey.
In hindsight I probably should've put down on when I grabbed food but I'm not clever when it comes to clothing. I just suffer and then realise I can't move body parts any more and it's not getting warmer and by then I'm probably looking for a hotel or something anyway :)
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Maybe that's your issue. You need to be on it, and think ahead.
If you were already wet, no wonder you were cold.
I know what you mean though, but with riding minimally, you can't have the right thing for every occasion, so you have to compromise on what you're wearing. I will often wear my rain jacket, when normally I wouldn't, but I don't have anything else.
So basically. Quit bitching, you've enough stuff, just compromise. Or take a pannier full of your wardrobe.
skinny
Yeah, it's 100% waterproof. I like the hood. Horses for courses. I really like it too.
You were cold and didn't get the down jacket out? Right. Why not just try using it first. Before sacking it off. I use mine a lot, used it and it's got wet and had no isse.
maybe merino base layer? My rapha one is good at keeping me warm.
Could try; http://www.arcteryx.com/product.aspx?country=gb&language=en&gender=Mens&category=Insulated_Jackets&model=Atom-LT-Vest
It's primaloft, so won't bitch if it gets wet, I have the jacket and is the business. It won't keep your shoulders warm, but put rain jacket on if you need. It's not quite as warm as the PHD down is the only issue. But does keep your body heat in. I will ride in my jacket version with a merino T shirt in -5 and be warm.