• Yeah, not much of an argument to be had but first time I've seen anyone produce numbers-which even if they're not 100% accurate as a ballpark calculation you'd be saving an hour on a 400km day which is pretty huge for races like TCR, even more if headwinds involved, much less if they weren't/depending how big a shit you took that morning etc etc.

    For choppers like me it doesn't really matter-as hippy says both panniers and packs have their place depending what you're up to. I much prefer not having all the weight perched over my rear wheel if nothing else

  • I have a large Revelate Viscacha saddle bag and I've used it for heavy stuff and it's been fine. Now I have framebag options I can use a smaller saddlebag and keep it for lighter, bulkier stuff so it doesn't do anything to bike handling, doesn't add as much weight and saves me watts of aeroz. Depending on the ride, I could get away with no saddle bag, ie. last weekend's 400 had no saddle bag. This weekend's LEL I will put the saddlebag on because I want to take a bivvy and sleep kit.

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