Functional bikes. Not Porn not Anti

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Can't see it either...

@spotter Any Better?

Yes, and it looks amazing!

thanks man!

If that was £149 i'd buy it!

trawl ebay and Ali express and i'm sure you'll find the OEM one

These look ok IMO and v cheap. Any opinions?

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/TSUNAMI-520-CR-MO-Steel-700c-Road-Bike-Frameset-Frame-Fork-Classic-Painted-Red-/272561580157?var=&hash=item3f75efa87d%3Am%3Am_Lw1jXFBaYLEh3w0vmyFAQ&_trkparms=pageci%253A8ad11937-1bd6-11e7-ae8d-74dbd18060e7%257Cparentrq%253A4a407e6b15b0aa18b13414d9ffff254f%257Ciid%253A8&varId=571675064491

Looks very decent, cutting the middleman certainly makes prices more appealing

Looks really cool, the steel used is very cheap though

Gosh, they look very decent, pity they only come in such piddly little sizes

Yeah, weird.

Look very good indeed. Would ride if needed.

What's wrong with 520?
The benefits of a higher grade of steel are minimal, with the attendant costs and lesser chances of survival in a crash (they may be stronger, but usually more brittle too and may not respond well to being bent back).

Really?

Might be mind games but I really noticed the difference between my 520 Day One and 725 Croix de Fer

The weight difference between my 520 Day One and my partners 853 Super Galaxy is massive

You're not going to start one of those discussions again are you? Different drawing methods-> different wall thicknesses-> thinner tubes with larger diameter feel stiffer and are lighter -> different 'feel'. Not so much to do with the actual metal alloy involved.

Me too!

You're comparing two different bike.

the difference between my 520 Day One and 725 Croix de Fer

You're comparing two different bike.

Yes. Ba dum - tish

Not only on top of what you already elaborated, but the wheelset, the cranks, the tyres, the pressure, the saddle, the riding position, etc.

Even just a 10psi difference transform the bike into something else.

Yup, I agree

Yes, but at the same time: nice tubes and frames are usually made from 'nice' steel. So even if the type of steel itself only plays a marginal role, it's still a reasonable way seive through frame options..