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• #5227
If the 531 decals were correct, I would expect the paintjob to be more complicated, as was the style at the time.
Of course, it could have been resprayed and replacement decals that are correct been reapplied.
If it is a respray then the S decal could be anything: eg the owner's initial.
One of the well known English builder's is known for using wrapover seat stays, but I can't think who at the moment and they aren't the only one.
The branding on the ends could have been destroyed through clamping.
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• #5228
Thanks for the help, I dont think it is a zeus as i cant find any that match the seat stays, its an english BB too
Do you know who I could reach out to?
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• #5229
You might have seen this one on ebay :) I got it because of the chunky tyres on a roadbike frame. I want to convert it to an ebike, plus pull a bob yak trailer... am I going too far with this frame? The forks feel very springy and taking a tight turn with the trailer makes the front wobble.
Apparently it's a Claud Butler Majestic designed for 27" wheels. Rear dropout is 126mm. How are those 26" wheels fitting so sweetly with the brakes?
Is it worth rebuilding the front with new forks and chunkier stem, or would this stress the rest of the frame too much? It's apparently 531 tubing, but I suspect this frame was resprayed and decals lost.
Or should I let it go ...
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• #5230
Classic Lightweights or Retrobike?
Zeus ends don't mean the bike is a Zeus, they were used by other builders.
Not as common as others though, so the combination of them and the seatstays may be what gets you an answer.
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• #5231
Excuse my ignorance - Zeus ends?
Also, this is my first post is there a better place for it on this forum?
Cheers!
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• #5232
Excuse my ignorance - Zeus ends?
https://www.lfgss.com/comments/13507068/
Also, this is my first post is there a better place for it on this forum?
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• #5233
And moving a post involves copy, paste, delete the old one, I guess?
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• #5234
Pretty much, but there's no real need to delete the above: it's not as if you've broken any rulez.
But if you did want to, you can't actually delete the post, just the content: hit the "edit" button and replace the text with a "." (can't be blank).
You can delete attachments, as you'll see when you edit the post.
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• #5235
Anyone got any idea what this is?
Looks so familiar.
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• #5236
can anyone help me figure out more about my frame and its value?
Cheers
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• #5237
Haven't heard anything back from Rourke so any more information still great received on this frame.
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• #5238
From what time did they start using front derailleur braze on clamps? Trying to figure out how old a frame is and thought that might say something...
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• #5239
A quick look, finds braze-on derailleurs in mid-Eighties catalogues of Campagnolo and Shimano.
What other braze-on fittings are there?
Is the routing over or under the BB and chainstay?
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• #5240
Could even be slightly earlier, '82 Gios has braze-on, the earliest I have seen (have been too lazy to check other makes).
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• #5241
Hi,
Just bought this frame. The chap I bought it off thought it was a Steve Elsworth frame. And, since he was a builder for MKM, I tried them, or at least the chap who runs the mkm-cycles.co.uk site. They deny any responsibility! Whilst MKM did produce lugless frames (The Ultimate), the frame number's wrong and they didn't have internal cable routing (in the top tube). So, I'm back to square one...
The frame number is 5207, with 97 stamped upside down to that. It has Reynolds 531 decals on the frame and forks. Of course, they may be incorrect later additions. But, given it has Campag drop outs front and rear, I'm optimistic that they're genuine. I have no idea whether the chrome work is original or not. I suspect that it has been resprayed - the transition between paint and chrome on the chain stays is not the best.
I'd love to find out what it is and what its original build was, so I can build it back up to somewhere near original. So, if any of you knowledgeable chaps and chapesses have any ideas, I'd love to hear them. I've got some other photos laying about, if it would help. Oh, and I can take more specific ones, since I actually own it!
Cheers
PS So, It seems that this could well be a 531 frame. It's definitely thin walled steel. And I've checked and confirmed that the forks match the frame (same frame number stamped on it). A few anomalies that have transpired. Internal cable routing and cable guides under the BB point toward late 80s, whereas the rear OLND is 122 mm, indicating a 5-speed hub. The mystery continues...
Thanks to @ssswinton for some kind assistance.
UPDATE: No, still no idea who built this frame. My latest ideas are that it could be a Philbrook or Roberts frame. They both built lugless and were a bit more experimental back in the day. The lugless frame, under-BB cable routing and 122 mm rear spacing are not so easy to find on one frame...
So, if anyone has any info on how to follow this up with either of these builders, or has any other bright ideas, I'm all ears!
Cheers
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• #5242
I just bought this. Its not a real Rossin so I like to figure out who build it. The frame number suggests a small company.
It has Campagnolo drop outs, 27,2 seatpost and Columbus steel forks and a braze on front derailleur clamp.
I like the look of the lugs and the seat stays but don't know what they are...
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• #5243
Forks most likely are not the correct one.
Those wrap over seat stays might help to identify it as the lugs are quite standard.
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• #5244
So I got this Freddie Grubb (Holdsworth's made) track/path frame, but have a little troubles in correctly dating it. It looks like it was made during the first years under Holdsworth (i.e. mid 50s), but would love some more reassurance so that I could more period-correctly build it up.
So any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
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• #5245
Nervex fishtail style ligs came after the horn style so it might be from the 60s.
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• #5246
The fishtail style lugs came about 1955 and Holdsworth bought Grubb in 1951/1952 restarting the serial count from 1.
This has a serial of 2062 (according to the guy I bought it from, albeit the BB says 2562, which I think is more correct). Now I have no idea of what speed they were selling these, but surely (I think) it falls between 55 and 60s (of course it can't be before 55, but I doubt it is much in the 60s, the fork is more from the 50s to me).
One thing I can't explain is the lack of badge and the non curved brake bridge.
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• #5247
However on classiclightweights there are a few Grubbs from 55 and 60 but their serial is totally weird compared to mine.
Two of the 55 have serial of: 11857 and 7644 while the 1960 one: 6923Something must be wrong.
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• #5248
I have recently purchased a Easton frame which is in alloy.
1" headtube, BSA BB shell, 27.2mm ish seatpost. Believe to be early to mid 90's.
Does anyone have more information about Easton alloy frames?
It looks very well made so I fitted a full Campagnolo groupset and some Kinesis alloy forks I had in the parts box.
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• #5249
I guess you are right about the forks.
The lugs look like prugnat 62s.
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• #5250
And the cables under the BB indicates post 85 roughly.
Close, but I think @Vaast has nailed it!