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  • What does 'race geometry' mean these days? I've been looking at the geo charts for a whole bunch of off the peg frames - race, sportif, all-road, gravel, cx etc. and they're all over the shop. BB height, HTA, STA, rake, reach seem to vary as much within categories as they do between categories. Even chainstay length is unexpectedly short on a lot of cx and all-road bikes, especially with the popularity of 650b.

    Does race geometry just mean a short headtube?

  • wheel base that's not too bus like, headtube that's not enormous and snappy steering is what I meant.

    Would also quite like a horizontal top tube...

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