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  • can anyone recommend a frame that is:

    • carbon
    • decent clearance 700x 32mm
    • Race geometry (not endurance/ cross)
    • Disc brakes
    • and tough enough to do some bikepacking on dirt roads on

    Had a Giant Defy that I'm selling which is super comfortable and quick, but the front is a bit too high and the handling whilst very stable is not quite as fun as my Ritchey Logic.

  • I'd be surprised if there is a race geometry bike with rack mounts for bike packing..

  • Datum, or Diverge.

  • What does 'race geometry' mean these days? I've been looking at the geo charts for a whole bunch of off the peg frames - race, sportif, all-road, gravel, cx etc. and they're all over the shop. BB height, HTA, STA, rake, reach seem to vary as much within categories as they do between categories. Even chainstay length is unexpectedly short on a lot of cx and all-road bikes, especially with the popularity of 650b.

    Does race geometry just mean a short headtube?

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