Downtube Shifters with MORE cable pull?

I've got a 10 speed 11-36t with a single ring on the front which I control with a simplex retrofriction shifter. It works well except I can't quite get enough cable pull to get to the largest 36t ring . My rear mech is a shimano XT long cage so has the capability.
Can anyone reccomend a suitable lever? or maybe have one available?

I see velo orange have dia compe 11 speed versions on their site , but was hoping not to spend as much and only really want the RH lever .

Any advice would be much appreciated

JTech do these things called shift mates. I believe they help change the pull of shifters to suit mixing and matching shifters & mechs. Perhaps there's one out there for you.

Also, there may be an alternative way to connect the cable at the deraillieur to increase the pull.

Let us know how you get on!

You can file the shifter unit out to get a bit more travel for the cable. Could practise on the LH lever to get your eye in.

Thanks for the suggestion , now I think of it I've seen these on brakes before ... had a google and found the tanpan from wolf components which looks pretty good too
cheers

You can file the shifter unit...

Could you explain a little more please: I'm struggling to think what you could file that would increase cable pull.

Hmmmmm sounds like fun ... a good job for my dremel , will have to have a look for the shares I have laying around

As @Scilly.Suffolk suggests, I can't see how filing (or dremelling) is going to increase anything. If anything it'll take you the wrong way, and decrease the cable pull.

if you file out the end stops on the shifter, you can rotate the lever through a wider range of travel, and if it travels further it can pull more cable in total, no?

I saw a photo of an alternative cable setup for increasing pull, seemed really straightforward and basically brilliant.

On the subject of cable pull ...

Does anyone know if the 'travel' on an XT 7sp shifter is the same as on shimano road 8sp? I am using 8sp with converted barend shifters on a new build and I'd like to use the XT instead as they're so smooth and comfy. If not, I might just go back to 7sp on this bike, quite like the basic functional nature of less gears on a screwon than a cassette hub anyway.

Of course, if the deraillieur movement per mm of pull also varies then maybe I could switch that. Have a nice modern 10sp XT mech- anyone know if they travel more than old 8sp per mm of pull?

Oh, the stops: your post suggested the shifter.

Does anyone know if the 'travel' on an XT 7sp shifter is the same as on shimano road 8sp?

I'm sure there's a Sheldon crib sheet somewhere that'd tell you the relative widths of cassettesfor these applications and I think the pull ratio was the same across mtb and road in those days so if the cassette width matches, then so should the shift cable travel. If you see what I mean.

Edit: Thinking about it though, don't you need to put a spacer on an 8speed freehub body to use a 7 speed cassette? Probably means the widths are different.

2nd edit: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/cribsheet-spacing.html there's the crib sheet and yeah, 31.9/32,4mm for 7 speed dependant on IG or HG, 35.4mm for 8 speed.

I know some 6 speed thumbies have the 'hidden' click that allows use with 7 speed, I think there might also been some 7 speed ones with a hidden click too?

XT 7 speed tumbies can be put into friction mode. The 7 speed STI's though cant obviously.

7 speed and 8 speed has to be different. No DA mechs of the time has the same geometry and where interchangeable. The sporcket spacing is slightly different on 7 and 8 speed so the shifters must be slightly different. You can bodge it but shifting will not be perfect but good enough for mist purposes.

Does anyone have any experience with a Wolf Tooth Lindarets Tanpan 10 or 11 Speed adapter ? Over the weekend I missed out on an auction for one on eBay .... now I really want to try one out , but the only new ones I can see for sale in the uk are 11spd . If I am using one with a non indexed shifter with a 10 spd cassette + rear mech it shouldn't matter if the adapter is 10spd or 11 right?

If you are trying to get more cable pull from down tube shifters, the easiest way is to fit shifters with a larger barrel diameter i.e. the diameter of the lever that the cable wraps around.
Some early models have a much larger diameter, the most common size for Campag, some Huret and Simplex is approximately 16mm diameter.
The Shimano LB-100 barrel is 20mm and will give 25% more cable pull, the Huret Alvitt is 21mm and an extra 31% will be gained. Suntour power shifters are 18mm, giving 12% extra cable The ones mentioned above are band on, but with a little effort can be modified to fit braze on fittings. I am sure other can be found.

Thanks for that , it makes a lot of sense will have to give that a go ... I have these sachs huret ratchet shifters somewhere might give them a try

Old huret downturn shifters, the friction type found on old Peugeots, can be made to pull about 180degree worth. Have used them to get enough pull on those wacky cassettes that have a gigantic 1st gear. They don't look anything special but they do the job. Dirt cheap too.