EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Speaking realistically, tariffs, WTO or otherwise, are not the problem.

It is the non-tariff barriers that disgruntled trading partners can enforce that will need all of the two years negotiating time,
and that is if it does not take two years to negotiate the exite of the UK from all the EU institutions and cooperative efforts that we have all taken for granted as they increased in the last 40 years.

I suspect that none of the leading brexiteers have ever exported any physical goods,
and,
have therefore have no memory of the endless paperwork from before the Single Market and the (EU) Customs Union.

(paraphrasing)

I was going to vote remain but changed my mind at the last minute 'cos at the supermarket the bananas are straight

#bbcqt

Here's the clip

https://twitter.com/davey/status/827300019699085312

i saw that last night. mindblowing.

the woman from 'the conservative woman' made sneering at people with speech impediments almost temptingly acceptable again. where do they find these shitheads?

apprentice bloke was ace. i'd vote for him.

I'm upset that the right have used Brexit as an opportunity to act like more racist cunts

Lolz, did you pay attention to any of the leave campaigning.

She's not using bananas for eating...

#hashtagwar
#wewantourcountryback

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I have completely changed my mind on this whole sorry affair. A day in Brussels will do that to you.

Also, everything is really fucking expensive.

Brusselexit? ;)

Be-Russ-exit

I find this interesting:

The challenge was brought by Yalland and Wilding, who runs the pro-single market organisation British Influence. Wilding is credited with inventing the term Brexit in 2012.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/03/fresh-brexit-legal-challenge-blocked-high-court-article-127

It is quite conceivable that someone else might have invented the term, or a better term, but I do think it's a case of shooting yourself in the foot if you invent a handy label (misleading, vague, delete as appropriate) for something you don't want.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034

Their main findings:

• The data confirms previous indications that local results were strongly associated with the educational attainment of voters - populations with lower qualifications were significantly more likely to vote Leave. (The data for this analysis comes from one in nine wards)
  
• The level of education had a higher correlation with the voting pattern than any other major demographic measure from the census
  
• The age of voters was also important, with older electorates more likely to choose Leave
  Ethnicity was crucial in some places, with ethnic minority areas generally more likely to back Remain. However this varied, and in parts of London some Asian populations were more likely to support Leave
  
• The combination of education, age and ethnicity accounts for the large majority of the variation in votes between different places
  
• Across the country and in many council districts we can point out stark contrasts between localities which most favoured Leave or Remain
  
• There was a broad pattern in several urban areas of deprived, predominantly white, housing estates towards the urban periphery voting Leave, while inner cities with high numbers of ethnic minorities and/or students voted Remain
  
• Around 270 locations can be identified where the local outcome was in the opposite direction to the broader official counting area, including parts of Scotland which backed Leave and a Cornwall constituency which voted Remain
  
• Postal voters appear narrowly more likely to have backed Remain than those who voted in a polling station
  

Somebody on a forum posted that in some areas minorities were told that it's unfair it's hard for people from their/their parents country of origin to come to the UK, but it's easy for EU nationals and therefore they should leave the EU to make it fairer.

I guess they didn't expect a full anti-immigrant position...

I heard a radio program that was talking about the demise of the curry house and somebody who I think was on the board (or similar position) of the association of Indian Restaurant owners was saying how his organisation was voting leave because the rules around skilled people (in their case, curry chefs) immigrating meant that there were not enough skilled chefs to keep the restaurants going. I believe they needed to prove they were going to earn >£35k, which not a lot of their chefs do. I am sure there are other reasons that restaurants are closing but they were adamant that leaving the EU meant that they would get a better deal in that regard.

Well they're stupid motherfuckers then aren't they.

Yeah, they brought that 335K in last year.

I signed the petition and wrote a long e-mail, parliament debated and went "meh, outside the EU, 35K or be part of a job group we pick, or GTFO"

It's insane as most parts of the UK 35K is very high! For example: A typical full-time worker in Northern Ireland earned about £24,000, compared to just under £27,000 across the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-30114530

Oh good. We're still going to have to pay roaming charges in the EU post brexit.

Merkel behind in the latest polls.

So Farage has done his own [insert suitable pun on 'marriage' and 'exit']:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-and-paul-nuttall-pelted-with-eggs-in-stokeontrent-a3459861.html

Merkel behind in the latest polls.

The bounce effect from Schulz being nominated. Germans are just very hopeful with a fresh face on the scene after years of stasis (no pun intended) under Merkel. Let's see if his popularity can survive as he sets out his programme for government.

I think that one of the main foundations for 'Brexit' was laid with Schäuble's treatment of Greece years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2017/feb/05/greek-debt-crisis-existentialist-drama-schauble-tsipras-lagarde-trump

It was a huge mistake that made waves, I think.

Farage's application for German citizenship looking a little unlikely then.

Quite the mess, that.

Perhaps Germany should import huge amounts of lovely Greek food to balance their export surplus... ;)

I have two Greek colleagues, no work for them over there. Of course I fail to see how leaving the EU and making it harder for Greek people to come here for work is helping...

Well re (2) that's the thing that's not clear to me: How much of a role has Germany played? Yes did read the comments.

Some people claim the German banks have manipulated the Euro knowing it would harm Greece (or not caring)

The EU interfered with the IMF loans. But it also set a 30 year limit on repayment and after that loans will be written off.

And Greece cooked it's books, and seemingly doesn't want to reform. They also have had massive corruption for ages. Still it's a fellow EU country so why should that count for?

If leaving the Eurozone is better, perhaps that should happen. But (3) it may have a knock on effect on the Euro value, I suppose the whole EU zone ends up paying for it. Maybe that's what all the hassle is about. It can also risk splintering the EU but maybe an easier EU with no Euro membership is what's needed now.

But flippancy aside perhaps buying Greek products is what we should do?

Re (1) the result is the same as (4) ... the UK left seems to be even worse off ATM :/

Have you seen the price of Greek yoghurt compared to English yoghurt? They brought it on themselves if you ask me.