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  • If I may...it's a bit bullshit to think "middleclass" people think it's ok not to send murders back (which is actually bullshit in many cases) the big issues are government incompetency (information not being exchanged), lack of investment etc.

    All difficult sells, along with "human rights for all" and getting rid of faith schools, so a "BUT THE EU DID IT" is the easy way out for politicians.

    Cos Mr Hook Man is a twat, but if you need to explain to people that exceptions to human rights will at some point end at their door, because bad things also happen to good people, that point won't go in easily.

  • It's more Cummings's point than mine, I don't agree that every single point he has is valid. I do see that he is very right about where the anger is being directed by these disaffected classes and why they hold these views.

    The major one for me is still the public paying for the vast excesses and failure of the financial industry, then being hit with "tighten your belts as the books have to be balanced". That can fuck right off.

    The thing is now is that much of that anger has been redirected against minority groups, the disabled and sick, the long term unemployed and the underclass, all who have little to no recourse to counter such propaganda and defend themselves; and the real issues are not given the same media space.

  • That's why I don't read the standard media TBH, only left-wing papers point out such issues.

    I think everybody hates the waste on wars and us paying for finance industry, but that seemed to not have united a lot of people cos "immigrants and the EU".

    It's an easy blinder I think. And with the centre left dying on its feet (hi Labour) I don't feel hopefull :/

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