• Ever wondered why America and Britain etc, are getting more right wing leaders, yet we as populous are becoming way more progressive and tolerant?

    The reason the right are winning elections all over the place is down to the proletariats perception of immigration. If Corbyn came out in favour of sensible immigration reform he would clean up in the next election. Cheque please and goodnight.

    Smart people have data on how useful and positive immigration is, but voters don't really study data when making decisions. Daily Mail readers don't care.

  • Ever wondered why America and Britain etc, are getting more right wing leaders, yet we as populous are becoming way more progressive and tolerant?

    The reason the right are winning elections all over the place is down to the proletariats perception of immigration. If Corbyn came out in favour of sensible immigration reform he would clean up in the next election. Cheque please and goodnight.

    Smart people have data on how useful and positive immigration is, but voters don't really study data when making decisions. Daily Mail readers don't care.

    So what motivated you to vote leave?

  • This isn't the case. If they try to play UKIP at their game they can't win. Strategically, as soon as they start trying to define a 'sensible' policy, that's it.

    More, if they don't defend free movement of labour, frankly, what's the point? It's a key ideological principle. If you think that the reason the left in the west has been on the back foot for the past 30 years is immigration, that's an incredibly narrow reading of history. And that's being charitable.

  • No it's not about regret it's about understanding why leavers voted this way due to the monumental consequences. Economy goes to shit, human rights (May ain't a fan...), NI...It's about more to me than having a little hassle.

    I'm in an industry with shortages.

    On immigration, the fact people rip each other apart is 90% propaganda and the government letting it happen.

    And globalisation which is causing lowering wages in the West, but you can't out China back in the box.

    It's good for services but those jobs can be crap (hi 0 hours contracts?) and brexit won't restore manufacturing I think. The UK had near 40 years but it went for financial services.

    Oh and a lot of trump voters weren't poor.

    Liverpool voted in the don't sell the Scum there. Unions used to be strong and offer education, Thatcher broke them.

    Of course you a D I know that, so why is Westminster so chummy with that oxygen thief Murdoch? The press played a big role here.

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