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Spoke nipple washers will help though

Been meaning to investigate these. What exactly is their purpose? I usually grease the interface between the nipple and the rim, would these mean I dont have to? Do you have to add a couple mm to your spoke length with these? Planning some future wheel builds but never used these before in the two dozen or so wheels I've built

They're under a mm thick so you'll only have to worry if you were rounding down a lot.

Why are Archetypes "not stiff" and why doesn't that matter for fixed gear?

No dish.

the archetype has in it favour ease of tyre fitting but its profile means it is not that stiff

Not sure what you mean... the V is the stiffest shape... besides Archetype are plenty stiff

the V is the stiffest shape

Depends which way you're trying to bend it.

Hi guys, new here. Looking for a nice combination of

• H+Son 42SL (or smth else),
  
• black spokes (bladeish or not), maybe Sapim/DTSwiss
  
• red nipples (Sapim does not have Brass red color, but I think I could find another choice for this nipples just to use red)
  
• Sturmey Archer hubs will be a interesting choice (50gbp, front+rear flip-flop), black, 32h both hubs. I have 73kg and I hope I going under
  
  

What do you think? Can anyone approximately know the weight of this wheel set? Let's see : 1230 rims, 600 SA F+R, 307 Dlight Sapim, 64 nipples...2160gr?

What do you think?

I think you're a time traveller from 2007

CNC has a nice cheap rim for a disc/brakeless bike

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Is something wrong about H+Son or other components... I don't get it.

Deep and skinny rims with coloured nipples are the clown car of wheels in 2017

Oh, I get it. My idea comes from a nice hand made frame with some black and red finish. Also from Specialized, newer bikes. My gf have on his bike black rims, spokes, but red nipples and looks interesting.

LE. Also Mavic use red's on his Elite wheels. Much better, I think, than Equipe (Ksyrium) with blue rims...

The beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Can we move on, beside the 2007-clown red nipples , please?

Another nice example (H+Son, Chris King, Sapim CXRay, DTSwiss, etc), from 2015. You can think about me that I am from Neanderthal, I am fine with that, if your advice will help my project that will look like I want in the best possible way :)

I have built a few H+S SL42... never thought much of them... very narrow, quite heavy and if you have brakes, the black disappears quickly. If you don't have brakes, then the Formation face rim is nicer... although it's the same thing without a brake track.
Also, don't see the point is spending a fortune in light spokes, when you build heavy rims

Archetype is the best rim H+S makes, whichever way you want to look at it. If you don't use brakes, then you might want to have a look at the new H+S hydra

Good point. But I will use brakes, it's a ssp project, not a fixie one, because it's a lot of traffic here and not so much rules...drivers, specially cab drivers, don't give a... for cycling. For that reason (traffic) I will use a 44/20 or 49/22 ratio too.

Did I mention that we don't have such a "cycling highway" or dedicated roads like in Denmark? Yes, it's sad.

LE.Otherwise the CNC's SL42 are 45e and the Archy are 71e, even they are lighter. Hmm, I don't know what to say/

Is that because of cup and cone versus sealed bearings or something specific about Hope?

Is that because of cup and cone versus sealed bearings

XT hubs are as well sealed as cartridge bearings, and the shells seem to be bomb proof.

LE.Otherwise the CNC's SL42 are 45e and the Archy are 71e, even they are lighter. Hmm, I don't know what to say/

I don't know what you are talking about... is it encrypted?

H+Son Archetype are expensive, 72e per wheel on wiggle. The CNC's 42SL are 45e per wheel (+24 shipping). Hmm...only 30e difference. Not so bad. There is a better price than 72e per wheel?

Also, sturmey archer hubs will be fine? Any suggestions for spokes and nipples (I know, red)? Also, rim tape should be 16mm or 22mm? Velox should be good enough? A lot of newbie questions, sorry...

Any suggestions for spokes and nipples (I know, red)?

I like Sapim CX-Ray bladed spokes - nice but pricey, and probably pointless with 32 spokes, so for your build I'd probably go with Sapim Race/DT Swiss Competition. As for nipples, I've always got on well with Sapim Polyax ali nipples. In fact, I find them more durable and tougher than brass ones. Hard to go wrong with Sapim Race/Polyax IMHO.

45e, 71e - are prices in euros probably. Easier than copy-paste €

Thank you! It seems Sturmey Archer are not made for less than 32h. About the spokes, J aero bladed, double butted, close to 350 grams (for 64 spokes), black, I guess it would be more than fine. Also I don't like to spend a fortune on the spokes, but I am looking for a nice balance between lightness, shiftiness. Usually city bikes are selling comfort, good looking, stuff like this...

The last four days I was on Steve site reading about tires, rims width and height and different profile rim shapes. Btw. Archetype's ETRTO is 17mm?

Do should I expect from this SA hubs, how many km? 2k at least? Could I hope for 5k? Should I go for other like Miche, Novatec, etc?

@Wyshniukas @ugosantalucia - indeed, e = euros. I will write full currency name, idk the shortcut for €.

Just a curiosity. I never ride carbon wheels. Is such a big difference of comfort, shiftiness vs alloy wheels? Why is that?

Just a curiosity. I never ride carbon wheels. Is such a big difference of comfort, shiftiness vs alloy wheels? Why is that?

No... blindfolded you wouldn't notice any difference whatsoever... with your eyes open you will find them amazing, typically proportionally to how much you spent for them...

Not sure what shiftiness is though

How well/bad is a front wheel with a 65mm deep carbon rim and 16 radially laced DT comp spokes gonna cope with the steep bankings on a velodrome?

If you're under 100kg and it's a 250m track, it will be fine. Porkers riding the rollercoaster at Calshot might want something a bit stiffer, especially if they're not smooth.