Seven Axiom SLX, 4-season and all-road

Stop calling it Campy

Eh?

But Campy call it Campy!

Which means... I need something as a stop-gap for a year or two whilst Campy get their shit together.

Sorry, couldn't let this pass - is there any evidence that Campag are going to release a decent road-disc setup soon? And that it'd be for a cable-group if they did?

Now I have done the reverse of what you're planning and built a bike for older tech, had to sell it whilst waiting for the frame to be built and buy an entire new group - but at every stage I knew that I could purchase proven kit that worked.

Having a very expensive frame built for components that might never be available is, erm, brave.

Note the R1s don't adjust automatically for pad wear - they don't have a reservoir. And yes that's kinda crazy.

How would it be crazy? The pads last ages, and only need adjusting the pads closer to the rotor every once in a while (rims brakes, probably twice as often, maybe triple).

I see it as an advantages as I get a surprisingly amount of customer thinking their pads is fine because it felt fine, while it turn out they managed to almost completely worn out the pads without realising.

Yeah they're wrong

Not that crazy... the only thing I don't know is whether Campagnolo will produce levers that support mechanical Record with hydraulic brakes.

But if not... SRAM Red Hrd will be there, and I don't mind SRAM but prefer Campagnolo.

Building a thru-axle disc brake road frame bike isn't brave... only choosing to put Campagnolo on it is. But then... I do hate Shimano :)

I HATE the Shimano hoods, levers and shifting actions.

Di2 feels completely different.

Try it out.

You've been spending too much time on TTF.

Thru axle is fine, although it's a bit of a lottery what size will win, but again - just build for what you can buy today.

But - if you're going to use Campag then you may as well go full retro and use calipers, a coil sprung brooks, 22mm tyres and a quill stem.

But - if you're going to use Campag then you may as well go full retro and use calipers, a coil sprung brooks, 22mm tyres and a quill stem.

This forum is full of trolls :)

Well... you can see what I'm going for. A bike good for long distance multi-day trips and bikepacking, but fast and comfortable. As close to a good road bike as possible, with mech groupset, and disc brakes.

Having run Campag with cable pull discs, I'd avoid BB7 like the plague. The cable pull on Campag levers is too short for them to work properly. I've not tried this setup with TRP Spyre brakes, but they are superior to BB7 in all other aspects.

On Campy + TRP HY/RD... multiple reviews basically say that the Campy levers don't have enough pull to make this a really solid setup, which is the only reason I haven't listed it as a choice.

HY/RD cable pull conversion for Campagnolo :

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8aBa3sGUUhs

Not tried it, just throwing it out there.

That looks like an ace trick. TRP back on the table then :)

I've had three HYRD calipers, two of them replacements for the initial one, final iteration is now on the bookshelf in disgrace as I couldn't be arsed to wait for it to go wrong as the others had.

I think you're making a boo-boo with the Campy/HYHD disc brake solutions.

Rim brakes are still brilliant, no need to change. Also, the rear spacing thing has not been resolved yet so you might be buying short-term obsolescence.

Rim brakes are still brilliant, no need to change. Also, the rear spacing thing has not been resolved yet so you might be buying short-term obsolescence.

More truth than religion

What Dov said.

But then wheel choice...

I think waiting for standards to settle is pointless. The bike industry these days has no intention of settling on any one standard for very long. Future-proofing is getting ever more difficult and frustrating, so you might as well build what you want now and enjoy it.

I built a di2 hydro disc brake bike for 'winter' riding and ended up using the rim brake mechanical groupset bike for 70% of festive 500 because disc bikes are just too boring to ride /csb

So if you want to create a dull bike that will be consistent (maybe even exciting) in only few aspects (braking, rim choice) then disc brakes. Completely makes sense for stuff like Transcontinental/commuting etc.

This is easy peasy.

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That is pretty much Cycle Fit's preference for the whole build.

But... distance, mountains and rims.

When I consider the rider I am, and the rides I want to do more of and want to target, it's long distance solo, overnights, multi-day, mountains. I'm not the fastest rider, and I carry more than I need to, and I'd prefer to feel more faith in the discs than the gingerly rim descents.

Mech for the groupset is still a huge win, but disc brakes are also a huge win.

I'm fine fixing on a solution that works today, thru-axle 142/12 looks standard enough that I believe it will survive in some form. I can put Enve 29er rims on Chris King R45 thru-axle disc for a great wheelset, and the thru-axle solves a lot of disc alignment nonsense with QR.

Literally the only icky bit is the Campag levers not yet supporting disc and thus opening a question about which brakes, but there are ways to solve this and in the future there will be products to do this from Campag (but if not SRAM have got me covered).

A predominantly Record groupset save the brakes is ideal.

And if you pore over the Campagnolo website, try and find any compelling reason to go Super Record over Record. That was my first choice, I was looking for an excuse but there is none. The difference is nothing at all, 4g off of a component, but nothing in the performance... the price difference is not worth the 4g.

When I consider the rider I am, and the rides I want to do more of and want to target, it's long distance solo, overnights, multi-day, mountains. I'm not the fastest rider, and I carry more than I need to, and I'd prefer to feel more faith in the discs than the gingerly rim descents.

So you are talking stuff like Transcontinental, then its fair enough.

IMO build it for Campag EPS hydro as at least thats announced .. if you cant get hold of it by the time its ready go with Sram Etap HRD, you will just have one tiny hole for cable entry somewhere that will be redundant in case of Etap.

142x12 and 100x12 looks like the 'road' standard that should stick mainly because shimano is up for it. DT swiss makes hubs for this standard at 350, 240 and 180 levels.

So you are talking stuff like Transcontinental, then its fair enough

I wouldn't insult those that have done or it entered by suggesting I'm anywhere near.

But smaller vacation versions, weekend or week long... those are what I want to be doing and my rides last Summer were getting a taste of.

What I meant was .. If you are skeptical of descending mountains on semi-loaded bike then disc brakes obvs. I was trying to make you aware of the caveats thats all :)

You can even build it for Campag hydro MECHANICAL group with something like this:

Fall back to Sram Etap HRD if campag doesent release mechanical version ..

Take a look at DT Swiss hubs .. nice, pricey (if you want them to be at 240, 180) and easily serviceable.