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That's a nice bike. I know because it used to be mine.

But then I sold it to @dwl this summer and it was stolen from him.

I don't really know what to do with this information, I'm just putting it out there.

I kind of regretted selling it...Funny how I log in for the first time in ages and there he is :)

Also, I sold it for £150 less

In the middle of summer

With better parts

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Well that was fucking quick. I wrote the above post at about 11pm last night and by 9am the next morning, @dwl has been contacted, the situation is resolved. Case closed.

I wasn't accusing you of actually stealing the bike but do you realise how shutting down the thread and deleting all the content makes you look? Luckily it was still open on my laptop this morning so I have screen grabs of everything now.

I boughed it for 170 in Hackney, checked up the frames origin, realised that worths a lot, changed the seat and handlebar (still have them) as I dint like the ones came with, I used it for couple of months, then now its here...

Once we make sure that the bike actually is the one as dwl-s bike, I am happy to return the bike against that 170 pounds what I spent on it. Unfortunatly, I dont want to pay for someone's bad luck. Im sorry for that.

This is how the bike looked when I boughed it on 02. August.

Do the right thing and take the 170 hit.

As I said, I will return the bike if I get my 170 back. Now its up to dwl.

Interesting, if it is the stolen bike as mentioned you may find you will lose the £170 but gain a C.Record for handling, better check your proof of purchase as that person (you bought from) is the one responsible for your loss, assuming it is stolen,

I've recorded all information about the seller, and emailed him to let him know.

I am very ready to turn all of this over to the police, and will restore the original posts now. As usual I am very enthusiastic and excited about the prospect of helping the police obtain a conviction for handling stolen goods, and if @dwl wishes to pursue this I'll take great joy in helping him and I still have contacts with the Met, Cycle Task Force and BTP from the last few times I've gleefully helped get people convicted (2 cases ongoing, 1 looks really bad for the person involved).

The identity of the seller is known and verified.

Oh... and @Brnaby002 don't be tempted to think you're going to get your £170 back. The difference between you selling stolen goods and being a victim of crime and your own ignorance is that single thing.

I got the lession allready. First and in the same time the last time for me.

If the seller now knows it's stolen and doesn't return it, looks like that could be handling stolen goods to the police, take it up with whoever you bought it from, return the bike would be my advice.
Good job people, stellar work as usual too @Velocio

Honestly, some the greatest joy I can derive from LFGSS is to assist in convicting anyone who touches stolen bike gear.

Brnaby002 does seem like a victim himself, so that sucks for him... and for me as I prefer getting those who actually do this routinely than the ones who just naively buy stolen stuff.

Interesting stuff and thanks all for your eagle eyes! Had completely given up on this.

@Brnaby002 appreciate you not just immediately vanishing when this was flagged.
@KTown & @Velocio thanks to you in particular.

What's the best protocol here? Needless to say I'd (A) quite like my property back and (B) would quite like to help bring to task those folks who've been smashing down hallway doors in Clapton over the last couple of years.

I don't want to speculate on the legal position @Brnaby002 has unwittingly found himself in but if he's happy to return that's obviously the ideal scenario as far as I'm concerned. Is somebody better informed than me in a position to clarify what the legal position here is?

Will obviously make a nice big forum donation for the good karma in the event of any kind of equitable resolution.

Why would you get joy out of shopping people who naively buy stolen stuff?

It's largely up to you what happens.

If you wish to report it and have Brnaby002 spoken to by the police, for me to provide all that I have to the police... you can do this. He was selling stolen property and the law does not care how he came to have it. Under this scenario you'll definitely get your property back for £0 and the police will take over, and you'll have to make a statement on top of any previously made statement that will be used in court. I'll make a statement too, and it all adds up and he'll likely get a conviction for handling stolen property.

But, I think in this case Brnaby002 is a victim too. He's an idiot for buying something that is stolen, and the mantra "If it seems too good to be true, it probably is" applies. You may wish to simply have your property back and can choose not to pursue it. This saves a lot of police effort (though they do love cases that they can immediately close, it improves their stats).

In this second case you simply arrange to meet Brnaby002, and exchange the property. Brnaby002 would be within his right to keep anything he has added to the bike, but you are within your right to anything that is rightfully your property.

This second approach is a bit riskier... in that it's a private thing, the law is presently on your side, and you will be choosing to settle this matter by simply agreeing to do so amongst yourselves. That said, this is also the least effort, and doesn't fuck up Brnby002's Christmas much, and you can get your property back.

If you choose the exchange and forget it about it approach, be sure to take someone else with you as a witness. If any attempt is made to deviate from the agreed exchange in any way, walk away and return to the first option of contacting the police with my support. Any exchange you participate in is basically accepting the outcome and finalising the matter... so be sure you walk away happy.

Why would you get joy out of shopping people who naively buy stolen stuff?

Because whether or not that is the truth would be up to a court to decide and not me.

If all I know is "This person is selling stolen goods", then I sure as hell am happy to shut it down.

The police aren't that bad. They have warned the naive in the past and let it go at that point, just helping reunite owners with items.

But they've also spotted patterns, where someone played the "I just bought it down the market, guv" line but the police then seek a search warrant and fine a treasure trove of parts, or more typically find online evidence of lots of stolen phones or other stuff on Craigslist or eBay going back to the same identity.

It's not up to me to say whether the given line is true... that's the job of a court, and requires the police looking into it. But failure on my part to push things to that point definitely would have resulted in a couple of very busy thieves walking free.

It'd be interesting if brnaby had any recollection of who he bought it from...

Thats life, not so cheap lessions here. Mine will cost now 170 pounds.
Never buy second hand stuff unless you know the exact source.
And I wasnt selling stolen stuff from my point of view, as I didnt know it is stolen. Please.

You can have the bike back.

Thanks @Velocio 👏🏻

@Velocio Thanks again, really helpful. There is indeed a reported crime and statement etc. from the time of the original break-in and theft to add to if necessary.

@Brnaby002 I'm happy with just exchanging the property. If you're agreeable to that I don't really see any need to involve police etc., I appreciate you've been dropped into a shitty situation here. When's good for you? Let's do it outside your nearest police station just for a little safety for all concerned. Let me know your poison and I'll bring along a bottle of something as a goodwill gesture.